The sad part is I’m not sure you ever get rapid societal change without a lot of people on both sides of an issue losing their lives. I’m cool for people here getting people mobilized but not radicalized. Anyone calling us to be violent publicly is just going to get people killed. I don’t want to see more homegrown terror in America.
I’d much rather see those willing to wield weapons protecting things like polling places, protests, and the representatives we support. Whitmer’s kidnapping plot, Shapiro’s home arson, Pelosi’s home invasion type events are things where some form of organized watch can try to prevent while looking like the good guys instead of vigilantes.
The increasing calls for physical violence on Lemmy are really getting concerning. I used to frequent the news and politics stuff more often, but lately it feels a bit too hot for me and I just try to add something when there’s outright disinformation. I get things are bad for many, but this is a door that can’t really be closed once it gets opened. I just want everyone here to be safe and not act recklessly, but some commentary here I feel is testing some boundaries.
Anyone calling us to be violent publicly is just going to get people killed. I don’t want to see more homegrown terror in America.
People are already dying to violence via the pen. Multiple stories of people dying here in the US when he ILLEGALLY froze USAID. And that ignores all of the countries that USA supports with food, medicine, infrastructure, etc…
People are being kidnapped and sent to a concentration camp in another country where both presidents are saying they will never leave, a death sentence in all but name.
This is just policy things that are killing people, they can also look at how many mass shooters, such as the Walmart shooter in Buffalo, who are being radicalized by right-wing media to the point they’re killing people.
Americans need to wake up and realize that they are already using violence. We are already at war.
None of the actions have changed anyone’s opinions though. Polling this week shows everyone still feels 100% the same on their opinions now and they did in November. Until the “This Needs to Change” group starts syphoning people at a solid rate from the “I Don’t Care” and “I Still Love It” camps, I think more harm than good will come of things. All the things you are (rightfully!) upset about will only be made worse if an attempt to seize power takes place with about 50% of the populace against you. That’s my opinion on the aggression anyway.
All you guys are right to want it, and I’d agree you are justified, but the rest of the county I don’t feel has your back yet like they should. And we’ve already alienated our valuable allies on our border, and the same people here are cheering that on too. All the comments telling Canada and the EU that they’re right to hate American people as a whole is sad to see. Hate the leaders and their supporters all you want, but Americans are chiming in saying “don’t trust any of us” like that’s a good thing. If we get Mexico and Canada hating all of us, where do we go if stuff really does pop off? The ocean? Some of you guys are boxing us in. It’s freaking me out as much as the MAGA people are honestly.
I’m gonna lead with I understand your concerns, these are extremely scary times. We’re getting our turn to live through history and I hate it. I just wanted to work with computers, get high, high, and play RuneScape. Now I have to fight for my life.
All you guys are right to want it, and I’d agree you are justified, but the rest of the county I don’t feel has your back yet like they should.
I agree with this completely. The majority are still pretending things are normal. But I don’t think it’s much different than the majority of people being against the Black Panthers, despite them being a necessary part of the civil Rights movement. The promise of violence always behind the peace is necessary for fascists imo. And a violent clash between the regime and it’s people might finally wake people up.
Where do we go if stuff really does pop off? The ocean? Some of you guys are boxing us in.
I understand the want to run. I started applying all over Ireland and Canada as soon as Trump won. But then I started a tight nit food bank in my llil town here. And I got on the library board. And I started hearing my coworker/friend’s concerns about having a son right as all this takes place. And I realized fuck these fascists. I’m needed here, people like me are needed here. So I completely get the fear but no one is coming to save us but ourselves. If you’re anything like me you keep asking. Won’t someone do something. And the plane answer is no , not unless you do it .
Things are going to pop off at some point. It’s just a matter of when. I fully encourage you to take to the street with the rest of us, I promise you are not alone.
Things like what the Black Panthers were and groups like Unicorn Ranch and posts of the environmental resistance are the types of things I can get behind at this stage.
I’ve also been working to solidify my friendships and get more involved in my community and fixing our local environment as well. As you said, this is our home and we need to hold onto it.
We’re getting rapid societal change right now, just the wrong way. My biggest challenge to your take is that you’d have everyone always playing defense, which only slows, not stops, the evil that keeps coming.
Do I wish there were a non-violent out for this? Yes. I just can’t see it. Every day that passes, every norm that is cast aside, means that much more work just to get back to “the old ways” (which were far from perfect). The other side opened the door Jan 6, 2021, then blew it off its hinges with the pardons. The only way to win is play by their rules, or at least their rulebook of “no rules” - thank you sir may I have another and hoping they get bored/annoyed is not a viable strategy.
I won’t minimize any current issues, we are in the worst times the majority of people alive now have ever seen by far. But the world and even our own country has been through worse and survived. We aren’t in a great depression. We aren’t in a dust bowl. We aren’t dropping nukes. We aren’t lynching. We aren’t mass killing workers or non-mainstream political people. We’re way too close to many of those things, but all that stuff went on way longer in the last century or so alone than we’ve seen in our lives.
A year ago, most of us would have likely said we’re not great, but we’re making progress. I’m not ready to just say all of that is gone just yet. As far as anyone knows, we still have elections and some semblance of a judiciary, as flawed as both may be. We still have at least as many pro-democracy people as we have people in favor of what we have now, same as it’s been for the last decade. Myself and many others have been really upset with the creeping power of the presidency for almost the last half a century through R or D presidents.
Again, I don’t expect or want anyone to sit back and take abuse from those who are there to serve us. But preemptive attacks and defensive actions aren’t the same thing, and the first will get you killed and make it harder for other movements to operate a bit more under the radar so they can build up numbers, support, and resources. Even something like this post is about, it’s not my favorite thing, but nobody was hurt, and there weren’t really any threats to individuals. But getting comfortable with this stuff only leads to worse things, even if they are justifiable.
The sad part is I’m not sure you ever get rapid societal change without a lot of people on both sides of an issue losing their lives. I’m cool for people here getting people mobilized but not radicalized. Anyone calling us to be violent publicly is just going to get people killed. I don’t want to see more homegrown terror in America.
I’d much rather see those willing to wield weapons protecting things like polling places, protests, and the representatives we support. Whitmer’s kidnapping plot, Shapiro’s home arson, Pelosi’s home invasion type events are things where some form of organized watch can try to prevent while looking like the good guys instead of vigilantes.
The increasing calls for physical violence on Lemmy are really getting concerning. I used to frequent the news and politics stuff more often, but lately it feels a bit too hot for me and I just try to add something when there’s outright disinformation. I get things are bad for many, but this is a door that can’t really be closed once it gets opened. I just want everyone here to be safe and not act recklessly, but some commentary here I feel is testing some boundaries.
People are already dying to violence via the pen. Multiple stories of people dying here in the US when he ILLEGALLY froze USAID. And that ignores all of the countries that USA supports with food, medicine, infrastructure, etc…
People are being kidnapped and sent to a concentration camp in another country where both presidents are saying they will never leave, a death sentence in all but name.
This is just policy things that are killing people, they can also look at how many mass shooters, such as the Walmart shooter in Buffalo, who are being radicalized by right-wing media to the point they’re killing people.
Americans need to wake up and realize that they are already using violence. We are already at war.
None of the actions have changed anyone’s opinions though. Polling this week shows everyone still feels 100% the same on their opinions now and they did in November. Until the “This Needs to Change” group starts syphoning people at a solid rate from the “I Don’t Care” and “I Still Love It” camps, I think more harm than good will come of things. All the things you are (rightfully!) upset about will only be made worse if an attempt to seize power takes place with about 50% of the populace against you. That’s my opinion on the aggression anyway.
All you guys are right to want it, and I’d agree you are justified, but the rest of the county I don’t feel has your back yet like they should. And we’ve already alienated our valuable allies on our border, and the same people here are cheering that on too. All the comments telling Canada and the EU that they’re right to hate American people as a whole is sad to see. Hate the leaders and their supporters all you want, but Americans are chiming in saying “don’t trust any of us” like that’s a good thing. If we get Mexico and Canada hating all of us, where do we go if stuff really does pop off? The ocean? Some of you guys are boxing us in. It’s freaking me out as much as the MAGA people are honestly.
I’m gonna lead with I understand your concerns, these are extremely scary times. We’re getting our turn to live through history and I hate it. I just wanted to work with computers, get high, high, and play RuneScape. Now I have to fight for my life.
I agree with this completely. The majority are still pretending things are normal. But I don’t think it’s much different than the majority of people being against the Black Panthers, despite them being a necessary part of the civil Rights movement. The promise of violence always behind the peace is necessary for fascists imo. And a violent clash between the regime and it’s people might finally wake people up.
I understand the want to run. I started applying all over Ireland and Canada as soon as Trump won. But then I started a tight nit food bank in my llil town here. And I got on the library board. And I started hearing my coworker/friend’s concerns about having a son right as all this takes place. And I realized fuck these fascists. I’m needed here, people like me are needed here. So I completely get the fear but no one is coming to save us but ourselves. If you’re anything like me you keep asking. Won’t someone do something. And the plane answer is no , not unless you do it .
Things are going to pop off at some point. It’s just a matter of when. I fully encourage you to take to the street with the rest of us, I promise you are not alone.
Things like what the Black Panthers were and groups like Unicorn Ranch and posts of the environmental resistance are the types of things I can get behind at this stage.
I’ve also been working to solidify my friendships and get more involved in my community and fixing our local environment as well. As you said, this is our home and we need to hold onto it.
We’re getting rapid societal change right now, just the wrong way. My biggest challenge to your take is that you’d have everyone always playing defense, which only slows, not stops, the evil that keeps coming.
Do I wish there were a non-violent out for this? Yes. I just can’t see it. Every day that passes, every norm that is cast aside, means that much more work just to get back to “the old ways” (which were far from perfect). The other side opened the door Jan 6, 2021, then blew it off its hinges with the pardons. The only way to win is play by their rules, or at least their rulebook of “no rules” - thank you sir may I have another and hoping they get bored/annoyed is not a viable strategy.
I won’t minimize any current issues, we are in the worst times the majority of people alive now have ever seen by far. But the world and even our own country has been through worse and survived. We aren’t in a great depression. We aren’t in a dust bowl. We aren’t dropping nukes. We aren’t lynching. We aren’t mass killing workers or non-mainstream political people. We’re way too close to many of those things, but all that stuff went on way longer in the last century or so alone than we’ve seen in our lives.
A year ago, most of us would have likely said we’re not great, but we’re making progress. I’m not ready to just say all of that is gone just yet. As far as anyone knows, we still have elections and some semblance of a judiciary, as flawed as both may be. We still have at least as many pro-democracy people as we have people in favor of what we have now, same as it’s been for the last decade. Myself and many others have been really upset with the creeping power of the presidency for almost the last half a century through R or D presidents.
Again, I don’t expect or want anyone to sit back and take abuse from those who are there to serve us. But preemptive attacks and defensive actions aren’t the same thing, and the first will get you killed and make it harder for other movements to operate a bit more under the radar so they can build up numbers, support, and resources. Even something like this post is about, it’s not my favorite thing, but nobody was hurt, and there weren’t really any threats to individuals. But getting comfortable with this stuff only leads to worse things, even if they are justifiable.