First, want to respond to my question? Are you actively doing anything meaningful to help change the world in a positive manner? Or are you just congratulating yourself for playing the electoral equivalent of The Royal Sampler?
Thats not for you to decide or dictate.
Facts are facts, regardless of how you want to feel about them. I don’t decide them any more than you do. Objectively, the world, as well as Palestine, is in a worse place than it would have been under Harris.
You chose to throw democracy, neurodivergent people, trans people, people of color, sick people, the people of Palestine, the people of Ukraine, and plenty of others under the bus with your intention choice not to oppose fascism.
You could say that you weren’t warned or explicitly told what would happen if you helped a Hitler fanboy get elected but, that would be a lie. If you insist on playing the same game as a Brexiteer, be my guest, but you’ll still be called out until you put in the slightest bit of effort to fix the century of progess that you’ve flushed down the toilet.
The only real question is whether you were a rube or if you were acting maliciously, like the Acolytes of Accelerationism. That’s something only you can answer.
You clearly know nothing about the actual motives of brexit voters. but call other people short-sighted.
The choice was Trump, or a continuation of the political/economic ideology that made Trump inevitable. Implicit in t he act of voting is the giving of consent. This outcome has been decades in the making. And yet you blame ‘non-voters’ for all of the ills of fossil-fuel powered neo-liberal capitalism, and then have the cheek to call others short-sighted. Grow up.
You clearly know nothing about the actual motives of brexit voters. but call other people short-sighted.
I’m well-acquainted with the nativism, financial illiteracy, and people mistaking support for right-wing elites for being in any way anti-establishment but, the motive weren’t the topic. The relationship to Brexiteers is their reaction to event negative thing that they were warned about coming to pass and their claims of “nobody said this would happen” and “this isn’t what I voted for”, as well as numerous other statements to avoid taking any personal responsibility.
The choice was Trump, or a continuation of the political/economic ideology that made Trump inevitable.
Trump was only inevitable because of self-fulfilling prophecy. His is a minority party, when support from the populace at large is concerned. Positive changes had been happening, like legalizing homosexual marriage (something that’s targeted under this regime for repeal, along with interracial relationships).
And yet you blame ‘non-voters’ for all of the ills of fossil-fuel powered neo-liberal capitalism, and then have the cheek to call others short-sighted. Grow up.
They share the blame, yes. Non-voters are the largest voting bloc and have been for decades. Their myopic refusal to meaningfully engage with the political tools of democracy, desiring only instant gratification and ego stroking instead, is why neo-libs have had any power whatsoever. That they helped usher in fascism is just the cherry on top of the shitty behavior.
And no. when implicit in the act of voting is the giving of consent, it is entirely of course entirely reasonable not to vote for the continuation of the political economic ideology that made Trump inevitable.
YOu have a lot to learn. You will not learn it now.
Sorry if the reality that a significant number of the Leave voters are just racists upsets you. The fact that Brexiteers made life harder for my family in the occupied counties rather upsets me.
You are wrong regarding Trump.
Care to clarify your meaning there and support it with anything?
it is entirely of course entirely reasonable not to vote for the continuation of the political economic ideology that made Trump inevitable.
This is very much looking like embracing the fallacy of Denying the Correlative. The choices in the US election were only:
Fascism, or
Not fascism
There were no other options. It’s a two party FPTP system, making claims otherwise factually inaccurate. Refusing to vote against fascism was implicitly supporting fascism because refusing to vote has in recorded electoral history only ever helped the right-wing. It really is that simple.
Refuse to oppose fascism in the bare minimum fashion (other action is required) and you’re intentionally enabling harm to those that fascists hate.
You have a lot to learn. You will not learn it now.
I’ve learned that a lot of people claiming to care about humanity are just myopic egotists and lack basic maths skills. What are you suggesting needs learning?
First, want to respond to my question? Are you actively doing anything meaningful to help change the world in a positive manner?
Oh is this a homework assignment I’m required to do? Then Gosh, yes Sir! I am, all the time. Do we want to phallus measure each others social impact and see who has the right to talk, is that how this works? I think my social work resume is pretty far above average. Pretty likely better than yours.
But are you pretending you’re able to be convinced by anything I say?
I think you’re simply here to troll and get some jollies by being angry. Some people just enjoy being angry. Or maybe its that you are looking for anything to not acknowledge that you got played into maintaining a lame status quo, that you explicitely supported genocide probably without even bothering to try to push back, and that you still lost. Same as everyone else.
It amazes me that you and your ilk are not even bothering to even ask why the dem candidates made a choice to support genocide, you are on lemmy whining why didnt everyone else support genocide and you see nothing wrong with that, and assign zero blame to the leaders who made a choice to support genocide. You hold them to no account whatsoever.
Oh is this a homework assignment I’m required to do? Then Gosh, yes Sir! I am, all the time.
You might recall that you were making assertions that those of us pissed off at the betrayal are doing nothing.
It amazes me that you and your ilk are not even bothering to even ask why the dem candidates made a choice to support genocide,
The dem candidates made the choice to stick with the status quo, which you either knew they were not going to break with or were delusional. This genocide has been happening for nearly 80 years and you lot only started caring about it when millions of right-wing cash poured in to influence people to self-disenfranchise.
The “tactic” of not-voting if the only non-fascist option didn’t do what you wanted was, plainly, stupid. Inaction only helps the oppressor and non-voting has only ever helped the right-wing get elected.
you are on lemmy whining why didnt everyone else support genocide
And there’s the attemp to deflect responsibility again. You know that your fallacious claims are not based on reality - you have already demonstrated that you can think abstractly through your creative use of invented animal abuse to try to make yourself seem morally superior. Reality is not black and white, as much as you lot try to assert it to be.
and you see nothing wrong with that, and assign zero blame to the leaders who made a choice to support genocide. You hold them to no account whatsoever.
Of course, you know well we hold them responsible for their actions and would have them all tried for complicity but that’s become even more remote a possibility, thanks in part to you.
Pathetic
So, you continue to try to assert superiority over others. Congrats, I guess.
So, since you’re so concerned about people being held to account for genocide, are you going to accep responsibility for your part in making things worse for Gaza as well as the rest of the globe? Or are you just going to hide behind your faux action that explicitly helped get fascists into power?
How about the global genocide through acceleration of climate change? Are you happy that you helped participate in supporting that? Are you happily accepting responsibility for skiing the part?
How about the mass deportations? How about the illegal and punitive imprisonment of people supporting a free Palestine? Are you proud of your role in making that happen?
Thats not for you to decide or dictate.
First, want to respond to my question? Are you actively doing anything meaningful to help change the world in a positive manner? Or are you just congratulating yourself for playing the electoral equivalent of The Royal Sampler?
Facts are facts, regardless of how you want to feel about them. I don’t decide them any more than you do. Objectively, the world, as well as Palestine, is in a worse place than it would have been under Harris.
You chose to throw democracy, neurodivergent people, trans people, people of color, sick people, the people of Palestine, the people of Ukraine, and plenty of others under the bus with your intention choice not to oppose fascism.
You could say that you weren’t warned or explicitly told what would happen if you helped a Hitler fanboy get elected but, that would be a lie. If you insist on playing the same game as a Brexiteer, be my guest, but you’ll still be called out until you put in the slightest bit of effort to fix the century of progess that you’ve flushed down the toilet.
The only real question is whether you were a rube or if you were acting maliciously, like the Acolytes of Accelerationism. That’s something only you can answer.
You clearly know nothing about the actual motives of brexit voters. but call other people short-sighted.
The choice was Trump, or a continuation of the political/economic ideology that made Trump inevitable. Implicit in t he act of voting is the giving of consent. This outcome has been decades in the making. And yet you blame ‘non-voters’ for all of the ills of fossil-fuel powered neo-liberal capitalism, and then have the cheek to call others short-sighted. Grow up.
I’m well-acquainted with the nativism, financial illiteracy, and people mistaking support for right-wing elites for being in any way anti-establishment but, the motive weren’t the topic. The relationship to Brexiteers is their reaction to event negative thing that they were warned about coming to pass and their claims of “nobody said this would happen” and “this isn’t what I voted for”, as well as numerous other statements to avoid taking any personal responsibility.
Trump was only inevitable because of self-fulfilling prophecy. His is a minority party, when support from the populace at large is concerned. Positive changes had been happening, like legalizing homosexual marriage (something that’s targeted under this regime for repeal, along with interracial relationships).
They share the blame, yes. Non-voters are the largest voting bloc and have been for decades. Their myopic refusal to meaningfully engage with the political tools of democracy, desiring only instant gratification and ego stroking instead, is why neo-libs have had any power whatsoever. That they helped usher in fascism is just the cherry on top of the shitty behavior.
Don’t help fascists.
You are entirely wrong regarding brexit voters.
You are wrong regarding Trump.
And no. when implicit in the act of voting is the giving of consent, it is entirely of course entirely reasonable not to vote for the continuation of the political economic ideology that made Trump inevitable.
YOu have a lot to learn. You will not learn it now.
You’re a Brexiteer, I take it? https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2053168018773964
Sorry if the reality that a significant number of the Leave voters are just racists upsets you. The fact that Brexiteers made life harder for my family in the occupied counties rather upsets me.
Care to clarify your meaning there and support it with anything?
This is very much looking like embracing the fallacy of Denying the Correlative. The choices in the US election were only:
There were no other options. It’s a two party FPTP system, making claims otherwise factually inaccurate. Refusing to vote against fascism was implicitly supporting fascism because refusing to vote has in recorded electoral history only ever helped the right-wing. It really is that simple.
Refuse to oppose fascism in the bare minimum fashion (other action is required) and you’re intentionally enabling harm to those that fascists hate.
I’ve learned that a lot of people claiming to care about humanity are just myopic egotists and lack basic maths skills. What are you suggesting needs learning?
Oh is this a homework assignment I’m required to do? Then Gosh, yes Sir! I am, all the time. Do we want to phallus measure each others social impact and see who has the right to talk, is that how this works? I think my social work resume is pretty far above average. Pretty likely better than yours.
But are you pretending you’re able to be convinced by anything I say? I think you’re simply here to troll and get some jollies by being angry. Some people just enjoy being angry. Or maybe its that you are looking for anything to not acknowledge that you got played into maintaining a lame status quo, that you explicitely supported genocide probably without even bothering to try to push back, and that you still lost. Same as everyone else.
It amazes me that you and your ilk are not even bothering to even ask why the dem candidates made a choice to support genocide, you are on lemmy whining why didnt everyone else support genocide and you see nothing wrong with that, and assign zero blame to the leaders who made a choice to support genocide. You hold them to no account whatsoever.
Pathetic.
You might recall that you were making assertions that those of us pissed off at the betrayal are doing nothing.
The dem candidates made the choice to stick with the status quo, which you either knew they were not going to break with or were delusional. This genocide has been happening for nearly 80 years and you lot only started caring about it when millions of right-wing cash poured in to influence people to self-disenfranchise.
The “tactic” of not-voting if the only non-fascist option didn’t do what you wanted was, plainly, stupid. Inaction only helps the oppressor and non-voting has only ever helped the right-wing get elected.
And there’s the attemp to deflect responsibility again. You know that your fallacious claims are not based on reality - you have already demonstrated that you can think abstractly through your creative use of invented animal abuse to try to make yourself seem morally superior. Reality is not black and white, as much as you lot try to assert it to be.
Of course, you know well we hold them responsible for their actions and would have them all tried for complicity but that’s become even more remote a possibility, thanks in part to you.
So, you continue to try to assert superiority over others. Congrats, I guess.
So, since you’re so concerned about people being held to account for genocide, are you going to accep responsibility for your part in making things worse for Gaza as well as the rest of the globe? Or are you just going to hide behind your faux action that explicitly helped get fascists into power?
How about the global genocide through acceleration of climate change? Are you happy that you helped participate in supporting that? Are you happily accepting responsibility for skiing the part?
How about the mass deportations? How about the illegal and punitive imprisonment of people supporting a free Palestine? Are you proud of your role in making that happen?