Today in Lutris discord which I happen to lurk occasionally, I saw some lovely people were commenting in the offtopic channel about how they support Ethan Kleins lawsuit against Youtubers who criticised him, GamerGate bs, defending streamer sex pests and some other stuff. One person offhandedly mentions how they get their information from Asmongold.
If you’re not very online, Asmongold is a reactionary streamer who at one point declared he thinks Palestinians should be genocided because of their “inferior culture”. Ethan Klein is a somewhat well known youtuber/podcaster who has also spent the last year or so having a very public meltdown over Israel and his own fundamentally contradictory set of positions he’s tried to triangulate between.
Seeing this, I made a brief comment about Asmongolds stance mentioned above and why anyone would listen to him. I got racist responses claiming “Palestinians have been kicked out of every culture they’ve been in” and deflecting to “Look at Egypts border”.
Called out the racism and genocide apologia, the only person who was warned was me for not being civil. I replied “racism and genocide apologia is not civil”, referred to the fact the Lutris logo on discord has an LGBTQ flag, and was called a nutcase and banned.
tl:dr Lutris discord moderation is OK with racism and genocide, but you’re a “nutcase” if you call a spade a spade.
I sent Lutris a DM on Patreon. I’ve been a patron for almost as long as it has existed. I’d really hate to stop supporting them but if they continue to tolerate racism in their official Discord I will have no choice.
Anyone else who is a patron should consider messaging the project as well.
Edit: Seems like the offending comments have been deleted, which seems appropriate. Hopefully that’s the end of it
discord in general can fuck off and die. unsearchable online and irritating as hell to search within itself, I’m already at max servers and not paying for more, the forum feature is janky as fuck and loses my scroll position, ui is garbage, etc.
I haven’t used lutris since it was new, and have been using bottles but I know nothinng about the devs or the community around it.
…I saw some lovely people were commenting in the offtopic channel about how they support Ethan Kleins lawsuit against Youtubers who criticised him, GamerGate bs, defending streamer sex pests and some other stuff. One person offhandedly mentions how they get their information from Asmongold.
Damn. That’s not just reactionary: it’s the cringiest type of reactionary one can be in this moment. I hope Heroic Game Launcher doesn’t also have this kind of cringe going on.
Yeah i don’t mess with Discord. I don’t like to experience online racist insanity in real time.
I’m sorry you had that experience. Discord moderating is all over the place in most Discords, it can be hard to find a decent one. I received a warning recently for sharing a link that had a curse word in the URL with a very popular Linux Discord where I see double standards as well. I joined the Lutris Discord server awhile back but never found good conversation so I just ignore it at this point. Their logo is ironic considering your experience.
BTW, you are not a nutcase and do not deserve to be banned for calling them out.
BTW, you are not a nutcase and do not deserve to be banned for calling them out.
With my experience over the last year, it’s nice for once for someone to not just be like “Ohh so you think Hamas is good???” and all that bullshit for once.
Seeing far right adjacent shit go unchallenged is difficult for me to ignore, even moreso when they then just casually engage in racist rhetoric against Palestinians to excuse literal genocidal language. Was never really active in the discord until seeing that shit just being left alone to fester, and clearly it has the approval of whoever is left to mod there.
it’s nice for once for someone to not just be like "Ohh so you think Hamas is good???
Fascists like that are always just gonna accuse you of being the enemy/a communist/a terrorist/a pedophile/russian/chinese when they can’t defend their own monstrous crimes
I’ve just started hittin em preemptively with the
Discord is a cesspool overall, the only thing useful is when a “”“”“”““server””“”“” has the announcement thing that you can follow in your own “”“”“”“server”“”“”".
Are the Lutris devs responsible for the Discord or is it unofficial? If they’re in charge then this is really concerning.
At the very least it’s linked directly from their homepage and their masto page: https://fosstodon.org/@lutris
Who moderates the discord? the main lutris dev?
I don’t think so? I didn’t think to grab the username before I was kicked. But the discord is linked on the website and their masto page, invite link works, so people can probably see for themselves (offtopic channel).
I went and snooped to see what happened. Doogie (M.D.) seems to be the one who did it. They deleted everything you posted and talked about it for a bit. There are a couple of boot lickers who praised them. Some others have come in to pick a fight with them.
They deleted everything you posted and talked about it for a bit.
Of course they did, first rule of every bad moderator is immediately deleting shit. Did they leave the other responses up? Someone specifically said something along the lines of “Palestinians were kicked out of every culture”.
Some others have come in to pick a fight with them.
To push back on their racist shit? If so, then based, as they say.
No, I think they might’ve deleted other comments, too. There is a guy trying to get banned it seems by throwing around antisemitic speech. It’s just chaos.
Let me guess. Anti semetic speech means they said israelis are evil?
i was there when it happened. it was actual antisemitism (calling a jewish person the k slur, mentioning how jewish people have been expelled from several countries as some sort of sign that antisemitism is correct, implying that every jewish person supports the gaza genocide, etc). and on top of it all they went into another channel when said jewish person they called a slur pushed back, to call them the r slur. if only it were just someone saying israel is bad and shouldnt exist. 🙃
Which I guess is a very good demonstration of why you don’t let that shit fester or you get people like that thinking they’re welcome. Would you be willing to maybe send me some screenshots? (be careful there’s no personally identifying information in them)
They cleaned the chat
I guess damage control after what resplendent said, seeing as the stuff I mentioned as prompting a response from me I’m pretty sure had been up for a while and had a response from the mod already with no action (nothing about topics being inappropriate or anything like that, no actual moderation was done at the time). It was only me saying anything that prompted any reaction.
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I’m sorry but this is a terminally online issue that shouldn’t bother you. Who is chatting off topic in the lutris discord? Who even uses discord? I think neither of those have any effect on one’s use of Lutris or is necessary to get mad about. I’m sure there are more important things for the people running the project to worry about
I’m sorry you don’t care that spaces adjacent to software projects aren’t properly moderated, but I think it’s pretty important if developers are going to publicise spaces to get tech support, talk about the project, contribute etc. that they shouldn’t be home to racist and even genocidal rhetoric as a baseline of decency.
And if you don’t have the means to moderate these spaces, don’t operate them and certainly don’t promote and link them on your official site and other social media. Is it really terminally online to not want far right adjacent shit associated with your project and promoted across your websites as the place to go for support?
