Seeing American industries collapse in real time because they were built off neo slavery is fucking wild. And the American right is all "thank god they’re gone, they’re illegals >:) " and the American left is like “noooo our cheap, expendable, unregulated labour force is being crippled and its hurting businesses >:((” it’s like I’m having a fever dream
“Most economists and politicians acknowledge that many of America’s agricultural workers are in the country illegally, but say a sharp reduction in their numbers could have devastating impacts on the food supply chain and farm-belt economies.”
I did. And your excerpt says nothing about the ‘American right’ and the ‘American left’. It only states ‘economists and politicians’. Your argument continues to smell of projection.
What exactly am I projecting? My dislike of liberals, conservatives and more broadly American politics? The excerpt describes the thoughts of politicians in America according to Reuters, my comment responds to that.
Thank you! This argument that we should love immigrants because they will “do the work no one else wants” has never sat right with me. It’s more like no sane and rational person would do this work, in these conditions, for this pay.
What does it say about us that we need an endless stream of impoverished brown people to make our society functional? We can’t build our own buildings, harvest our own crops?
We’ve got a real nasty history and habit of coerced labor in this country.
The reasoning is the important part of why these two opinions exist. The right has no replacement for the labor so when shit inevitably hits the fan and we end up with at best shortages at worst artificial holodomor style famine they will have been the cause. The left is generally smart enough that as a whole even if they hate the system they aren’t stupid enough to more or less collapse it without at least a fallback system if not an outright replacement.
It’s the type of irony that occurs with reactionaries on occasion where they attack an actual problem but it’s done in such a fucking asinine way where that problems traditional opponents have to defend it.
Idk man… If they can’t have millionaire agricultural landowners without an unregistered, unrepresented, underpaid workforce, maybe they shouldn’t have them.
Yes they shouldn’t exist, that wasn’t my point. My point is collapsing the agricultural industry like a fucken smooth brained stalinist is fucking stupid, reform is needed but the current situation is going to get people killed if things go badly enough. I’d love nothing more than to turn these farms into co-ops but that isn’t what’s happening.
Guess I’m coping. I would assume that the food security conscious response would be to pay labourers more and give them protections. From the article it seemed as though that was not an option on the table in American politics though.
The gremlin inside of me is also wondering how the most obese people on earth could be so close to a food insecurity crisis that perpetuating neoslavery is a necessary evil.
American foods are ultra processed crap designed to make the population overeat calories in search of nutrients. Even our produce is less nutritious due to corporate farming practices.
Obesity is more tied to food insecurity than food security here.
It’s not just that there’s no political will, it’s that there’s a solid chance the Republicans would try to ban it paying farm workers well outright.
Also everyone is a vulnerable to starvation, if you don’t eat for about a month you will probably be dead. Being obese is at best a buffer, that’s not even factoring in that a lot of that extra fat can be burned off exceptionally easily if you cut soda for example.
Seeing American industries collapse in real time because they were built off neo slavery is fucking wild. And the American right is all "thank god they’re gone, they’re illegals >:) " and the American left is like “noooo our cheap, expendable, unregulated labour force is being crippled and its hurting businesses >:((” it’s like I’m having a fever dream
Source for the ‘american left’ opinion please, it sounds like projection / bullshit.
“Most economists and politicians acknowledge that many of America’s agricultural workers are in the country illegally, but say a sharp reduction in their numbers could have devastating impacts on the food supply chain and farm-belt economies.”
Did you read the article?
I did. And your excerpt says nothing about the ‘American right’ and the ‘American left’. It only states ‘economists and politicians’. Your argument continues to smell of projection.
What exactly am I projecting? My dislike of liberals, conservatives and more broadly American politics? The excerpt describes the thoughts of politicians in America according to Reuters, my comment responds to that.
Still no “American left”, though.
Liberals are the American left. It’s like how english muffins aren’t muffins
Sorry I think I understand what you’re saying now, I’ll explain my thought process.
So the article is about the deportation of American agricultural workers.
The right wing is deporting them
The article mentions the resistance to said deportations from politicians on the basis of economic loss in the farming sector.
Since the right wing is the one deporting, the left wing is the ones protesting on the grounds of losing cheap labour.
Hence my comments.
Thank you! This argument that we should love immigrants because they will “do the work no one else wants” has never sat right with me. It’s more like no sane and rational person would do this work, in these conditions, for this pay.
What does it say about us that we need an endless stream of impoverished brown people to make our society functional? We can’t build our own buildings, harvest our own crops?
We’ve got a real nasty history and habit of coerced labor in this country.
The reasoning is the important part of why these two opinions exist. The right has no replacement for the labor so when shit inevitably hits the fan and we end up with at best shortages at worst artificial holodomor style famine they will have been the cause. The left is generally smart enough that as a whole even if they hate the system they aren’t stupid enough to more or less collapse it without at least a fallback system if not an outright replacement.
It’s the type of irony that occurs with reactionaries on occasion where they attack an actual problem but it’s done in such a fucking asinine way where that problems traditional opponents have to defend it.
Idk man… If they can’t have millionaire agricultural landowners without an unregistered, unrepresented, underpaid workforce, maybe they shouldn’t have them.
Yes they shouldn’t exist, that wasn’t my point. My point is collapsing the agricultural industry like a fucken smooth brained stalinist is fucking stupid, reform is needed but the current situation is going to get people killed if things go badly enough. I’d love nothing more than to turn these farms into co-ops but that isn’t what’s happening.
Guess I’m coping. I would assume that the food security conscious response would be to pay labourers more and give them protections. From the article it seemed as though that was not an option on the table in American politics though.
The gremlin inside of me is also wondering how the most obese people on earth could be so close to a food insecurity crisis that perpetuating neoslavery is a necessary evil.
American foods are ultra processed crap designed to make the population overeat calories in search of nutrients. Even our produce is less nutritious due to corporate farming practices.
Obesity is more tied to food insecurity than food security here.
Obesity is like the opposite of food insecurity
It’s not just that there’s no political will, it’s that there’s a solid chance the Republicans would try to ban it paying farm workers well outright.
Also everyone is a vulnerable to starvation, if you don’t eat for about a month you will probably be dead. Being obese is at best a buffer, that’s not even factoring in that a lot of that extra fat can be burned off exceptionally easily if you cut soda for example.