• Gloomy@mander.xyz
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    21 hours ago

    You are right that I am not familiar with the detailed context and I thank you for adding it.

    It remain an unfortunate truth, even after reading your post, that Buddhism has been used here as a weapon to spread hate. And even if it was only a minority of the population that fell for this hate, it remains true non the less that Lord Buddhas teachings have been used here in such a way.

    So, even with this context, my main point stands: Every idea can and will be twisted in a hateful way by humans.

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      11 hours ago

      Every religion can be twisted which is MY WORDS. But these monks did NOT cite any Buddhist teaching to the exclusion of others or one that promotes other’s death to its benefit. Once again, you are wrong to say that Buddhist teachings were used to justify killings - it is the men in robes who called for it, not the teachings itself. And these monks did not CITE any Buddhist teachings to justify them. Stop spreading falsehoods and hate without knowledge. This is the kind of shit MAGA lives on and you’re doing it here.

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        9 hours ago

        Listen, I understand your anger. I identify as a Buddhist and I am not happy to acknowledge that, in this case, the religion was at least used as an excuse for spreading violence.

        Non the less, I don’t think talking around it is sensible. Sometimes we just have to face reality, even if it’s hard to swallow.

        By your logic (if I understand you correctly, and by all means please correct me if not), something like the crusades could not be blamed on Christians. After all, they were politicaly motivated and the Pope only used the “Holy War” excuse to rally up troops.

        I also don’t think it’s necessary to quote teachings in order to qualify the statement that “Buddhism was used to get people to commit a genocide”. Even if all they said was “we have to get rid of them, because they threaten our identity as Buddhists” that, in my opinion, is enoth to qualify the above statement.

        And of course non of us knows of they quoted teachings. I assume you weren’t present, an I for sure was not. So they might have, or not have. Given the context of what happend it is at least a valid possibility.

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          Your patronizing tone is ironic in light of your ignorance. You don’t understand anything. That is the problem and issue. The crusades, the inquisitions, the “residential schools” in Canada etc were conducted BY priests, monks and officials of the church in the name of the religion. None of these militant monks were involved in these heinous crimes. They are absolutely guilty of rhetoric. And again, they are few and far in between in Myanmar. All the articles lead to just a handful of monks and a small group of their followers all of whom are military backed. It IS NOT wide-spread.

          I can read and watch and understand what these militant monks have been saying and doing while you haven’t so your ASSUMPTION is again coming from absolute ignorance as are your arguments.

          And it isn’t a coincidence that since 2017 when military conducted the Rohingya campaign and the populace knew what they were up to, there has been ZERO incident of racially or religiously motivated riots in Myanmar while these are still a regular occurance in South Asia.

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            All the articles lead to just a handful of monks and a small group of their followers all of whom are military backed. It IS NOT wide-spread.

            I can read and watch and understand what these militant monks have been saying and doing while you haven’t so your ASSUMPTION is again coming from absolute ignorance as are your arguments.

            I’m not assuming, I’m going by the information that has been made avaible. Like here:

            This violence has often been supported by factions within the Buddhist monastic community in Myanmar. Buddhist sermons regularly include Islamophobic messages such as unsubstantiated rumors of Muslim violence against Buddhists or Muslim plots to take over the country and destroy Buddhism. Thousands of monks have participated in anti-Muslim demonstrations, increasing interreligious tensions in the region. These elements of the Buddhist community have justified their actions using Buddhist theology, claiming that violence is acceptable if it is done in defense of their religion.

            Regardless, there is no doubt that much of the Buddhist religious leadership of Myanmar has promoted violence against Muslims in the region.

            https://rpl.hds.harvard.edu/religion-context/case-studies/violence-peace/conflict-myanmar

            I can read and watch and understand what these militant monks have been saying and doing while you haven’t so your ASSUMPTION is again coming from absolute ignorance as are your arguments.

            This seems to directly contradict you.

            As a side note, I find this part interesting:

            The ethnic and religious violence in Myanmar is incredibly complex; the traumas of colonialism, poverty, the recent transition from a military government to a more democratic state, and the global war on terror all play major roles in shaping the conflict. However, the role of Buddhism in this conflict is clearly no less complex. While many monks in Myanmar seem to support and even advocate for violence against their Muslim neighbors, there are others who are constantly working to end the violence. Both believe their actions to be deeply inspired by Buddhism, and both use theology to justify their claims.

            Maybe you will habe to just accept that there is no such thing as an easy truth here.