I’m not sure what your political stance is, frankly idc, but based on that last sentiment it steers too close to anti-warism, so I’ll just give you the benefit of the doubt this one time, maybe you’ll see what we see:
My meaning from my reply is that monolithizing the two issues with statements like “Both can be bad at the same time, actually!” is drawing a comparison, which is not only tone-deaf, but completely misses the point that @AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml made: that entire original comment of OP’s directly applies to Palestinians in Palestine. And it does, it absolutely does, and there’s no denying it does.
The difference here is in the direct applicability of things, sweeping statements like “both bad” especially in the context of Palestine only serve to trivialize issues, it doesn’t offer any specific insight.
It also helps their case that one’s a literal ongoing genocide on an indigenous population while having already been subjugated to 70+ years of ethnic cleansing as a result of Euro-Anglo settler-colonialism (which continues to this day) and the other’s a war the West kicked a hornet’s nest for that started in 2022 between bougies… There’s nothing wrong with sympathizing with the latter, there’s just something wrong with flattening multi-dimensional degrees of suffering and one degree of suffering all into one degree, as if they were on an even-playing field, so to speak. The other difference here is that you get, at best, tone-policed or at worst, silenced and/or jailed, for publicly sympathizing for the former.
And hey: they did not need to preface that Ukraine’s full of Nazis or something to that effect, I seriously don’t see how their point would be “more valid”, even if the prefacing statement was true. Needlessly tone policing like this, a tactic used by libs extensively to derail and dissuade anyone from basically saying anything, isn’t really okay at all…
I will address everything in your reply, but I want to preface it with something.
When I said “In fairness, they didn’t. The person they replied to did.” I was not expressing my agreement with the “both things can be bad” statement, I was simply pointing out that the first person to draw any connection or comparison at all between Ukraine and Palestine was @Anti. Purely from a standpoint of the words they used. I do not think they are comparable, but without any context of what @Anti thinks about the invasion of Ukraine it is just an objective truth that they were the first person to make a link between the two. Of course thereafter, the person you replied to made the “both things can be bad” point, but yeah. Maybe I’m just being autistic.
No disagreements at all with your 2nd paragraph, and that was indeed my reading of your initial response.
Fully on board with your 3rd paragraph.
Again, fully agree with your 4th paragraph.
And here at your 5th paragraph we arrive at where I have been misunderstood. @Anti absolutely wouldn’t have been “more valid” if they’d written it differently, I am not policing their tone, their point was succinct and true. My initial comment was not an implication that @Anti believed a “both things bad” argument, I was purely stating a fact about the words used. The first user to draw a comparison between the two situations was @Anti, purely in terms of the words used. Had they phrased it differently, they may not have been the first person to do so, and I wouldn’t have been able to make my tongue in cheek throwaway comment. This doesn’t mean to say that they should have phrased it differently, or that they were wrong, or that the “both bad” argument is right.
I hope we are both/all in understanding. And thanks for not spewing vitriol at me for making a poorly executed half-joke.
I’m not sure what your political stance is, frankly idc, but based on that last sentiment it steers too close to anti-warism, so I’ll just give you the benefit of the doubt this one time, maybe you’ll see what we see:
My meaning from my reply is that monolithizing the two issues with statements like “Both can be bad at the same time, actually!” is drawing a comparison, which is not only tone-deaf, but completely misses the point that @AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml made: that entire original comment of OP’s directly applies to Palestinians in Palestine. And it does, it absolutely does, and there’s no denying it does.
The difference here is in the direct applicability of things, sweeping statements like “both bad” especially in the context of Palestine only serve to trivialize issues, it doesn’t offer any specific insight.
It also helps their case that one’s a literal ongoing genocide on an indigenous population while having already been subjugated to 70+ years of ethnic cleansing as a result of Euro-Anglo settler-colonialism (which continues to this day) and the other’s a war the West kicked a hornet’s nest for that started in 2022 between bougies… There’s nothing wrong with sympathizing with the latter, there’s just something wrong with flattening multi-dimensional degrees of suffering and one degree of suffering all into one degree, as if they were on an even-playing field, so to speak. The other difference here is that you get, at best, tone-policed or at worst, silenced and/or jailed, for publicly sympathizing for the former.
And hey: they did not need to preface that Ukraine’s full of Nazis or something to that effect, I seriously don’t see how their point would be “more valid”, even if the prefacing statement was true. Needlessly tone policing like this, a tactic used by libs extensively to derail and dissuade anyone from basically saying anything, isn’t really okay at all…
I will address everything in your reply, but I want to preface it with something.
When I said “In fairness, they didn’t. The person they replied to did.” I was not expressing my agreement with the “both things can be bad” statement, I was simply pointing out that the first person to draw any connection or comparison at all between Ukraine and Palestine was @Anti. Purely from a standpoint of the words they used. I do not think they are comparable, but without any context of what @Anti thinks about the invasion of Ukraine it is just an objective truth that they were the first person to make a link between the two. Of course thereafter, the person you replied to made the “both things can be bad” point, but yeah. Maybe I’m just being autistic.
No disagreements at all with your 2nd paragraph, and that was indeed my reading of your initial response.
Fully on board with your 3rd paragraph.
Again, fully agree with your 4th paragraph.
And here at your 5th paragraph we arrive at where I have been misunderstood. @Anti absolutely wouldn’t have been “more valid” if they’d written it differently, I am not policing their tone, their point was succinct and true. My initial comment was not an implication that @Anti believed a “both things bad” argument, I was purely stating a fact about the words used. The first user to draw a comparison between the two situations was @Anti, purely in terms of the words used. Had they phrased it differently, they may not have been the first person to do so, and I wouldn’t have been able to make my tongue in cheek throwaway comment. This doesn’t mean to say that they should have phrased it differently, or that they were wrong, or that the “both bad” argument is right.
I hope we are both/all in understanding. And thanks for not spewing vitriol at me for making a poorly executed half-joke.