I’m a person living in a rural area and have to either go by train, the nearest station being 15 mins away by car and the trains having a schedule that keeps fluctuating.
Or have to go by car where it takes 60 mins to get where I need to go. I wouldn’t want to get a late pickup or anything outrageous just something to get me places.
I’m not a car enthusiast or anything like that.
I think everyone here understands that most people don’t live in northern Europe with great cycling and train infrastructure. So you do what you got to do to live a happy life in car infested capitalist society, nothing wrong with that. If that means you need a car, get a car. Preferably it’d be used and with a low ride height / bumper height. So it’s at least a bit safer for cyclist and pedestrians.
I think all we ask is that when there is an opportunity to advocate for more pedestrian or cycling infrastructure that you do so
the “fuck cars” mindset is typically that we’re against car-dependency, not against people who are victims of car-dependent societies. Naturally people in suburbs and more rural areas, especially here in america, will need a car. It’s not ideal and it’s something that should be fixed but it happens.
It’s important to note that there are some countries where even the rural communities have enough transit options that cars aren’t necessary. It’s less common, but it does exist.
Exactly. Blaming individuals for systemic problems never gets you anywhere. If you can reduce your car dependency, sure, do that, but don’t beat yourself up if you can’t.
Yeah, I think this is kind of a problem with fuck cars communication. It really needs to be clear that it’s against car dependency.
I mean I’m a “fuck cars purist” I’m not a fan of cars at all. But yes, the movement is very much about car-dependency, not cars.
Owning a car if you need one is not in itself a problem. “fuckcars” isn’t about blindly hating cars, it’s about being aware that cars are inefficient, dangerous, and bad for people’s health. It’s about raising awareness about how car-centric and car-dependent society has become, despite there being better ways to structure transportation.
Thank you for the clarification, so what I’m hearing is that owning a car is fine if it’s not something outrageously large or inefficient and I don’t have good public transit connections?
We’re not some kind of cult setting rules for how people should live. If you need a car, buy a car, if you want to own some kind of ridiculous lifted truck, you can do that, but I’ll reserve the right to make fun of you and think you’re an asshole.
Or course it is. Also, it’s ok to not literally fuck cars. It’s just a sentiment that we wish cars didn’t have to dominate so much due to poor civic planning.
How do you feel about motorcycles?
FuckCars is not about BEING carfree, it’s about realizing that you’re FORCED to have a car, to pay $10,000 per year to own that car, to breathe in the pollution from the roads, to risk your life on the road, and how bad that sucks.
Unless you are directly involved in agricultural production or natural conservation etc. it is kind of unsustainable to live in a rural area (except totally off-grid etc.). One reason being the need for a car to do basic things.
Of course as an individual it is not easy to just totally change ones life situation, so yes with the above caveat and being aware of the car issues of course, IMHO it is acceptable to own a car in a rural area. I do too.
I don’t think I agree with that. There are other reasons to live in a more rural area like being more secluded, closer to nature or, more commonly, cost of living.
A rural area also does not imply car dependence. I myself have recently moved to a fairly rural area (1.5k inhabitants) and can still get just about everything done by bike.
This only works because the neighbouring village a few km away has a supermarket and a train station with service to the next largest city and a metropolis. It’s not very good train service mind you (single non-electric rail with hourly schedule) but even that is enough for me to not need a car. Imagine how much would be possible if it was actually decent train service.I can understand why you might want a car in such a situation but it’s certainly not required.
