Come on with those absolutes… first hit on google for a commercial top of the line expedition ranges between 100k for the crazy short-track « climb the whole thing » to a relatively affordable 3k to go to the base camp…. Which is less than a whole lot of families apparently spend on vacation.
Additionally those are very important source of revenues for Nepalis…
One does not ask the oppressed to change the abusive relationship, one speaks to the pricks paying 50k to leave their actual feces and trash on a mountain to check a box.
That’s tangential but worth mentioning. At the very least I have an adopted brother over there that depends on tourists so yeah, I feel it’s a sensible argument.
My whole point is that it is such a specific and hateful position… the guy should really chill down a bit.
Id like to sneak in and offer an opposing argument here. I see what you are saying, but imagine if someone said poachers in Africa depend on the revenue from selling illegal wildlife goods. The idea is that even if its a reality now, it really isn’t a good one, and if they COULD work away from it, it’d likely be better overall.
At the very least I have an adopted brother over there that depends on tourists
That’s the point, and that’s why the guy is not “chill” about it.
Tourism is very much a colonial economy when there is income inequity. I am sorry that your adopted brother depends on tourists for income, but that does not justify the inequity.
If you were to hire a Sherpa in the Alps or Canada, you’d be paying a hell of a lot more for the privilege of the climb. So tell us again why these rich folks get away with paying so little…
When you make the argument that the locals depend on the income, you are also implying that it’s OK the locals earn so little without these rich folks.
Nope, I’m not saying any of that. I’m just happy that he -specifically he who I very much know- can eat because some tourists pay him for his art. So in that frame it is not all negative.
Whatever the price is really, he comes from living in a monastery in India to going back to his home country and being able to sustain himself with that money.
System is not perfect but at least he eats.
If you worry about that you’ll have to consider all other inequalities in manufacturing as well… or in IT…. So why just that one example ?
Oh, that includes all of the equipment, flights, and transportation?
For one person, right? Comparing it to a family vacation proves my point. A douchebag insisting on going to a big mountain seems a little different than a family vacation…
I will never mind speaking in absolutes about this. If you care about going to Everest, you are a selfish asshole. Full stop. I don’t care that it’s affordable for you, that’s part of the problem.
I don’t care if the locals rely on the abuse, it’s still abuse.
I almost said computer but realized that couldn’t be assumed. Fine, a phone is closer to a necessity.
There is still basically no difference between this and any other hobby that involves something manufactured by people in poor countries other than proximity to the people doing the labor. You are just mad that people who have either a bit or a lot more money for their hobbies have a hobby that doesn’t appeal to you personally.
Dude you have very weird and specific perspectives. To each their own doesn’t ring a bell? Is it an Everest specific issue or do you sell wholesale for other destinations as well?
Take that hait energy and make something positive out of it instead…
Come on with those absolutes… first hit on google for a commercial top of the line expedition ranges between 100k for the crazy short-track « climb the whole thing » to a relatively affordable 3k to go to the base camp…. Which is less than a whole lot of families apparently spend on vacation. Additionally those are very important source of revenues for Nepalis…
Oh, the “locals depend on the revenue” argument. Haven’t seen that in a while.
I invite you to go to Nepal and educate the people on taking a moral stand and cutting off their revenue. I’m sure they’d be very receptive.
I agree with both of you.
You got that fucking backwards, sir.
One does not ask the oppressed to change the abusive relationship, one speaks to the pricks paying 50k to leave their actual feces and trash on a mountain to check a box.
That’s tangential but worth mentioning. At the very least I have an adopted brother over there that depends on tourists so yeah, I feel it’s a sensible argument. My whole point is that it is such a specific and hateful position… the guy should really chill down a bit.
Id like to sneak in and offer an opposing argument here. I see what you are saying, but imagine if someone said poachers in Africa depend on the revenue from selling illegal wildlife goods. The idea is that even if its a reality now, it really isn’t a good one, and if they COULD work away from it, it’d likely be better overall.
I would argue that poachers are criminals by definition…. Sherpas must less so.
That’s the point, and that’s why the guy is not “chill” about it.
Tourism is very much a colonial economy when there is income inequity. I am sorry that your adopted brother depends on tourists for income, but that does not justify the inequity.
If you were to hire a Sherpa in the Alps or Canada, you’d be paying a hell of a lot more for the privilege of the climb. So tell us again why these rich folks get away with paying so little…
When you make the argument that the locals depend on the income, you are also implying that it’s OK the locals earn so little without these rich folks.
Nope, I’m not saying any of that. I’m just happy that he -specifically he who I very much know- can eat because some tourists pay him for his art. So in that frame it is not all negative. Whatever the price is really, he comes from living in a monastery in India to going back to his home country and being able to sustain himself with that money. System is not perfect but at least he eats.
If you worry about that you’ll have to consider all other inequalities in manufacturing as well… or in IT…. So why just that one example ?
Oh, that includes all of the equipment, flights, and transportation?
For one person, right? Comparing it to a family vacation proves my point. A douchebag insisting on going to a big mountain seems a little different than a family vacation…
I will never mind speaking in absolutes about this. If you care about going to Everest, you are a selfish asshole. Full stop. I don’t care that it’s affordable for you, that’s part of the problem.
I don’t care if the locals rely on the abuse, it’s still abuse.
Now take this exact line of reasoning to you owning a phone or having any hobbies and actually try to find a material difference.
Oh yeah there’s totally no difference between having a phone and going to Nepal to climb a mountain…
Genuinely: how fucking stupid are you?
I almost said computer but realized that couldn’t be assumed. Fine, a phone is closer to a necessity.
There is still basically no difference between this and any other hobby that involves something manufactured by people in poor countries other than proximity to the people doing the labor. You are just mad that people who have either a bit or a lot more money for their hobbies have a hobby that doesn’t appeal to you personally.
Dude you have very weird and specific perspectives. To each their own doesn’t ring a bell? Is it an Everest specific issue or do you sell wholesale for other destinations as well?
Take that hait energy and make something positive out of it instead…
It’s actually ok to not like harmful things! It’s called having integrity.
Your arrogance is astounding.
My arrogance ? Sure is… I’m the one judging everyone….
where do you draw the line of harmful things? We are by nature harmful things to a degree with all our activities…
This is not a valuable conversation, because I’ve already told you where I draw the line: somewhere BEFORE “I want to climb Everest.”
The fact that you can’t tell the difference between people traveling all the way to Everest and “everyone” makes me think you’re a bot or a troll.
Again, being judgmental is valuable, this conversation is not.
Billionaires shouldn’t exist, people shouldn’t go to Everest because they are insecure.
Not hard to understand. “But—” nothing.
Ok, you’re not even reading. Pathetic. I’ll block you now, bye!
Appealing to authority now? You’re quite a piece all around…