Masked ICE agents and other federal forces showed up in Chicago to go after gangsters. Instead, they keep catching people who are just living their lives.
That’s cause immigrants are generally law abiding residents by nature. When I was in the US on a visa I was oftentimes the only one who did not drink and drive or smoke pot and drive at parties, every fucking American kid did not give a shit about the laws and would even carry a gun while doing stupid stuff like that (in AZ).
I was too fucking scared to even get a speeding ticket or get into trouble for some other minor digression just because a power hungry cop doesn’t like my people. So I always followed every rule to the fucking t.
It’s generally well established that immigrants are the most law abiding population in almost every country. The only people who dispute this are fucking racists who make up their own statistics.
also even if they are illegal, they are mostly going to be hiding from plain sight, so it would not be possible to find them all anyways. thats why they target blue areas, where alot of legal immigrants go.
This is the other side of migrant propaganda, the the one where they are paragons of virtue and more law-abiding than everyone else, but it’s false.
They are people, and their crime rates, like with everyone else, are most closely aligned to the demographic’s poverty rates, not their immigration status.
Migrants don’t magically escape the correlation between income levels and crime. But they are significantly less likely to report crimes, for obvious and understandable reasons, which does bring the reported crime rates in their communities down.
And I can match your anecdotal stories with my own that counter your anecdotal experiences, including living in Arizona during the SB 1070 era. But just like your stories, they’re anecdotal.
First off, that’s not an NIH study. It’s a paper by researchers at a university that happens to have been uploaded to pubmed Central for open access. The NIH hosts pubmed.
Secondly, it’s about crime reporting rates by national origin, not crime commission rates by national origin. So not responsive to the original comment.
So the research on under reporting of crimes in migrant communities has nothing to do with the crime stats used to support claims that migrants, as a demographic, commit less crimes?
I take it this view on the accuracy and totality of reported crime stats also extends to figures on sexual assault and rape i.e. the crime stats surrounding SA are accurate, and not under reported?
You’re mixing up completely different things! Not sure if you’re even trying to make an argument in good faith or if you’re trying to derail the conversation.
If law enforcement is anti-immigrant and racist, of course will immigrants be less likely to report crime. They are scared to interact with law enforcement! What goes especially unreported in those communities is crime against immigrants!
The problem is in the system, the immigrants are not the problem!
That study long predates the current fascist crackdown on migrants.
I’m not making any argument, I’m simply correcting your misinformation with relevant scientific studies from the NIH.
I understand why that message is counter to the popular narrative on the left, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong, again, see the study.
I also understand that it’s not a popular thing to bring up right now because of what’s going on, but when you drill down into it, all I’m saying is that migrants are people like everyone else. They aren’t inherently worse then natural born citizens, but they aren’t better either, they’re just people.
And like everyone else, migrant crime rates are most closely aligned to poverty rates, but crime rates are also dependent upon crimes being reported, and there are legitimate and understandable reasons why crimes in those communities go under reported.
That’s cause immigrants are generally law abiding residents by nature. When I was in the US on a visa I was oftentimes the only one who did not drink and drive or smoke pot and drive at parties, every fucking American kid did not give a shit about the laws and would even carry a gun while doing stupid stuff like that (in AZ).
I was too fucking scared to even get a speeding ticket or get into trouble for some other minor digression just because a power hungry cop doesn’t like my people. So I always followed every rule to the fucking t.
It’s generally well established that immigrants are the most law abiding population in almost every country. The only people who dispute this are fucking racists who make up their own statistics.
also even if they are illegal, they are mostly going to be hiding from plain sight, so it would not be possible to find them all anyways. thats why they target blue areas, where alot of legal immigrants go.
This is the other side of migrant propaganda, the the one where they are paragons of virtue and more law-abiding than everyone else, but it’s false.
They are people, and their crime rates, like with everyone else, are most closely aligned to the demographic’s poverty rates, not their immigration status.
Migrants don’t magically escape the correlation between income levels and crime. But they are significantly less likely to report crimes, for obvious and understandable reasons, which does bring the reported crime rates in their communities down.
And I can match your anecdotal stories with my own that counter your anecdotal experiences, including living in Arizona during the SB 1070 era. But just like your stories, they’re anecdotal.
So instead, here’s a 2019 NIH Study:
Silence Speaks: The Relationship between Immigration and the Underreporting of Crime
First off, that’s not an NIH study. It’s a paper by researchers at a university that happens to have been uploaded to pubmed Central for open access. The NIH hosts pubmed.
Secondly, it’s about crime reporting rates by national origin, not crime commission rates by national origin. So not responsive to the original comment.
So the research on under reporting of crimes in migrant communities has nothing to do with the crime stats used to support claims that migrants, as a demographic, commit less crimes?
I take it this view on the accuracy and totality of reported crime stats also extends to figures on sexual assault and rape i.e. the crime stats surrounding SA are accurate, and not under reported?
You’re mixing up completely different things! Not sure if you’re even trying to make an argument in good faith or if you’re trying to derail the conversation.
If law enforcement is anti-immigrant and racist, of course will immigrants be less likely to report crime. They are scared to interact with law enforcement! What goes especially unreported in those communities is crime against immigrants! The problem is in the system, the immigrants are not the problem!
That study long predates the current fascist crackdown on migrants.
I’m not making any argument, I’m simply correcting your misinformation with relevant scientific studies from the NIH.
I understand why that message is counter to the popular narrative on the left, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong, again, see the study.
I also understand that it’s not a popular thing to bring up right now because of what’s going on, but when you drill down into it, all I’m saying is that migrants are people like everyone else. They aren’t inherently worse then natural born citizens, but they aren’t better either, they’re just people.
And like everyone else, migrant crime rates are most closely aligned to poverty rates, but crime rates are also dependent upon crimes being reported, and there are legitimate and understandable reasons why crimes in those communities go under reported.
You think migrants (and minority groups) being afraid to interact with law enforcement started after 2019?
Of course not, which is obvious to any good faith reading of what I wrote.
It’s also one of the biggest factors as to why crimes in those communities are under-reported.