Not definitionally of course, but most tankies I’ve has the displeasure of interacting with on Lemmy have been big Russia (and/or China) stans and act like any English language news outlet besides RT is western propaganda trying to slander dear leader
Well they aren’t wrong. Most western news agencies are pure propaganda. A tankie wouldn’t apply to Putin because Putin isn’t an authoritarian communist, he is an authortarian oligarchist, mostly republican and corporatist in his politics like most other world leaders.
Tankies are people who say that the oppression by communist regimes is valid, ie vanguard communism. This wouldnt apply to Putin because Putin doesn’t even claim to be a communist, much less is he one of them. Most people who are communists would not defend Putin because he isn’t a communist. Do you see? A tankie is like someone who says that the CCP is valid in crushing dissent because western powers spread proganda under the guise of democracy to overthrow communists states, which is 100% true, it’s just whether or not you believe that communism should be implemented with or without the consent of the people. The term tankies only applies to communist regimes, not that the CCP or the USSR are even remotely communists. The communists lost when the tolskyist factions lost to the stalinist factions. Stalin was a fascist, he was an authoritarian who claimed to be a socialist like Hitler, and was more socialist then Hitler in some ways, but as far away from communism as like an HOA is at the end of the day. Communism has never really lasted more then maybe 20 years in any country because of extreme international pressure, sanctions, assassinations, billions and now trillions of dollars of propaganda to prevent any type of actual socialist society from ever being successful. Most of the past 100 years of geopolitical history is exclusively an attempt to destroy both socialism or is more right wing but similar in ways path of nationalism. This is why Hitler was supported and given power in Germany, to crush socialism and communism. This is why Stalin was supported by international leaders, to crush socialism and communism.
So really you should know the context of these claims. They aren’t saying it’s valid because communism is objectively just the right path, just that the only way an even remotely communist state can survive is by basically banning foreign media and being very authoritarian. I disagree. I don’t think authoritarianism has any place in socialism and is find mentally an antisocial idea, but I do have sympathy for the argument in a purely real politic, war perspective type of thinking.
People who think capitalism is better or more free are even more delusional then the authoritarians who support these pseudo socialist like states run by a vanguard authoritarian party. Millions of people in the U.S die in poverty over the years. The average American worker slaves away with almost no time to themselves while the property owners live lives of luxury never really working for anything. Americans will murder millions of innocent people to puppet governments. Americans have voted consistently over the past two decades to expand massive surveillance systems across every aspect of life, and to put pedophiles above the law. They vote time and time again to give tax breaks to the rich as well as our then above the law. Tankies are hardly worse in comparison. China is a perfect example of how these types of states thrive outside of massive coordinated isolation of their economies. China has radically revolutionized itself in the past 100 years under one party and a planned economy which is both amazing and unfortunate, because actual free societies could do so much better if any free socities still existed in the Orwellian west run by corrupt and immoral leaders who promote religion and morality for the masses while doing any evil thing they want to the honest working person.
They are doing the same shit with Trump. Taking an actual revolutionary movement to take back power for the people, and destroying it by giving them a fascist with all of these corrupted influencers who they control, probably with blackmail. This is why privacy is so important. If you ever become popular enough, they will hire thousands of FBI agents to dig through your past to find something they can blackmail you with and try to turn you into an agent of international corporatism.
You should probably look up where “Tankie” originates if you think Stalin wasnt a communist and calling people defending actions of non-communists tankies is wrong.
I’m just saying that Calling Putin defenders tankies is a bastardization of the word. It refers specifically to people who defend authoritarian communist regimes.
Yes I also realize that Stalin wasn’t a communist, he was an authoritarian Mafia style ruler, much more similar to a fascist. He even had a boy crush on Hitler. The communists pretty much died out when the stalists took power from the toslkiest factions. Spain is a good example of this, and even Russia, the stalinists had support from things like mafias and organized crime which were being funded by intelligence agencies around the world. The toslkiest were actually much more communists. Like Democrats and socialists and that sort of thing. They were a grassroots movement, the stalinists movement was a well funded international campaign to destroy communism in all the countries where the people rebeled against corporate rule.
I didn’t read your dissertation because I don’t care to debate this much. I’d probably agree with most of it anyways. My usage of the term is from that they claim to be communist, and they defend/promote the authoritarian Russian government. They’re tankies.
Doesn’t matter if they’re real tankies or cosplay tankies or fake Russian bots emulating tankies; they’re tankies. Putin’s claimed and actual policies are wholly irrelevant. This is the colloquial usage, regardless of whether or not you think it accurate to your definition.
Not definitionally of course, but most tankies I’ve has the displeasure of interacting with on Lemmy have been big Russia (and/or China) stans and act like any English language news outlet besides RT is western propaganda trying to slander dear leader
Well they aren’t wrong. Most western news agencies are pure propaganda. A tankie wouldn’t apply to Putin because Putin isn’t an authoritarian communist, he is an authortarian oligarchist, mostly republican and corporatist in his politics like most other world leaders.
Yes mostly, but the tankies would disagree
Tankies are people who say that the oppression by communist regimes is valid, ie vanguard communism. This wouldnt apply to Putin because Putin doesn’t even claim to be a communist, much less is he one of them. Most people who are communists would not defend Putin because he isn’t a communist. Do you see? A tankie is like someone who says that the CCP is valid in crushing dissent because western powers spread proganda under the guise of democracy to overthrow communists states, which is 100% true, it’s just whether or not you believe that communism should be implemented with or without the consent of the people. The term tankies only applies to communist regimes, not that the CCP or the USSR are even remotely communists. The communists lost when the tolskyist factions lost to the stalinist factions. Stalin was a fascist, he was an authoritarian who claimed to be a socialist like Hitler, and was more socialist then Hitler in some ways, but as far away from communism as like an HOA is at the end of the day. Communism has never really lasted more then maybe 20 years in any country because of extreme international pressure, sanctions, assassinations, billions and now trillions of dollars of propaganda to prevent any type of actual socialist society from ever being successful. Most of the past 100 years of geopolitical history is exclusively an attempt to destroy both socialism or is more right wing but similar in ways path of nationalism. This is why Hitler was supported and given power in Germany, to crush socialism and communism. This is why Stalin was supported by international leaders, to crush socialism and communism.
So really you should know the context of these claims. They aren’t saying it’s valid because communism is objectively just the right path, just that the only way an even remotely communist state can survive is by basically banning foreign media and being very authoritarian. I disagree. I don’t think authoritarianism has any place in socialism and is find mentally an antisocial idea, but I do have sympathy for the argument in a purely real politic, war perspective type of thinking.
People who think capitalism is better or more free are even more delusional then the authoritarians who support these pseudo socialist like states run by a vanguard authoritarian party. Millions of people in the U.S die in poverty over the years. The average American worker slaves away with almost no time to themselves while the property owners live lives of luxury never really working for anything. Americans will murder millions of innocent people to puppet governments. Americans have voted consistently over the past two decades to expand massive surveillance systems across every aspect of life, and to put pedophiles above the law. They vote time and time again to give tax breaks to the rich as well as our then above the law. Tankies are hardly worse in comparison. China is a perfect example of how these types of states thrive outside of massive coordinated isolation of their economies. China has radically revolutionized itself in the past 100 years under one party and a planned economy which is both amazing and unfortunate, because actual free societies could do so much better if any free socities still existed in the Orwellian west run by corrupt and immoral leaders who promote religion and morality for the masses while doing any evil thing they want to the honest working person.
They are doing the same shit with Trump. Taking an actual revolutionary movement to take back power for the people, and destroying it by giving them a fascist with all of these corrupted influencers who they control, probably with blackmail. This is why privacy is so important. If you ever become popular enough, they will hire thousands of FBI agents to dig through your past to find something they can blackmail you with and try to turn you into an agent of international corporatism.
You should probably look up where “Tankie” originates if you think Stalin wasnt a communist and calling people defending actions of non-communists tankies is wrong.
I’m just saying that Calling Putin defenders tankies is a bastardization of the word. It refers specifically to people who defend authoritarian communist regimes.
Yes I also realize that Stalin wasn’t a communist, he was an authoritarian Mafia style ruler, much more similar to a fascist. He even had a boy crush on Hitler. The communists pretty much died out when the stalists took power from the toslkiest factions. Spain is a good example of this, and even Russia, the stalinists had support from things like mafias and organized crime which were being funded by intelligence agencies around the world. The toslkiest were actually much more communists. Like Democrats and socialists and that sort of thing. They were a grassroots movement, the stalinists movement was a well funded international campaign to destroy communism in all the countries where the people rebeled against corporate rule.
I didn’t read your dissertation because I don’t care to debate this much. I’d probably agree with most of it anyways. My usage of the term is from that they claim to be communist, and they defend/promote the authoritarian Russian government. They’re tankies.
Doesn’t matter if they’re real tankies or cosplay tankies or fake Russian bots emulating tankies; they’re tankies. Putin’s claimed and actual policies are wholly irrelevant. This is the colloquial usage, regardless of whether or not you think it accurate to your definition.