- They help individuals channel their frustration, isolation and desperation
- They are a show of strength
- They typically lead to more political involvement
- They have already produced wins
- They must remain nonviolent to be effective
- They must be in small towns in the heartland, not just big coastal cities
Find one near you at nokings.org
This post uses a gift link, but some people do seem to be prompted to register. I can’t change SF Chronicle policy about that. They also have a history of sending lawyers after people who post archive.today links to their articles, so whatever you do, don’t plug the URL into that site.
Yes, very lulzy, isn’t this whole situation funny? I already understand being asked to act against the fascists is a joke to you. You’re doing something for the democrats. You won’t lift a finger against ICE. What’s going to change other than your self-image during multiple fronts of ethnic cleansing? You won’t guilt trip me into coming to your liberal complaint parade. Its purpose is to reassure fascists you pose zero threat to them. Go and dance for them, go on!
I know what you say to the marginalized when you campaign. “We’re all you’ve got. 😁” The democrats are much like someone who got all their bones broken in a huge avoidable car accident and still thinks everything is fine due to shock. Things will never be the same. These strategies failed under Bush too. That’s why you imitate them. They’re safe. You have zero expectations for yourself other than telling people how right you are, scolding them. This is why the party has failed voters.
You keep saying about what they shouldn’t do, yet you have not listed even one thing you’ve already done that is better than things you’re calling as performative. If you want to prove your point, just list these things and explain how they’re more effective than protesting.
These are not protests, they are parades. Protests dont have a set start and end time. Protests continue until things change.
Not saying they couldn’t do better, but they are for sure doing more than the guy not doing anything other than criticise the way of people protest on the internet.
People that are effective in protest are being ignored by liberals that think they know how to. Liberals are incapable of protesting when they dont even know what they are protesting.
Who are these people? Got any links?
If they do exist, I think you’ll find it more effective to spread the word about them instead of trying to pull down other people. You won’t find acceptance amongst the general public if all they see you do is pull down others. Be more effective in your own messaging.
What is being protested at these events?
Why are you changing the subject? You said there were more effective protesters that are not being covered. Can you link them for me?
I also said liberals have no idea what they are protesting. Unless there’s an actual end game in mind it’s performative.
That’s blatantly false, I already mentioned the people who directly intervene with ICE raids - which en masse can be relatively effective - rather than throwing a self-aggrandizing parade for the DNC (which ran in the last general election on Trump being weaker than them on immigration).
In Italy and Spain and other countries you can even see other liberals striking and blocking shipments to achieve protest actions. You are particularly cowardly and inactive, even for liberals.
Maybe it’s the better European cuisine? /s
Wait. So you are doing nothing yourself and in fact, aren’t even in the country of the people you are derriding for not doing enough?
Here in Saint Petersburg we do much to make the Orange Chimpanzee suffer. Speak not of this ingratitude to me.
Those are people, not you. What did you do that gives you the right to say what other people do are useless? What did YOU do that was more effective.
Doesn’t matter how effective other’s actions are, because they are in a far better position than people who do nothing but criticises other people’s actions.
This is exactly the kind of aggrievement that suffering-as-accomplishment generates. Going out and flaggelating yourself won’t stop the raids. It’s wasting people’s energy on non-solutions, that’s a negative. It’s tiring inaction.
These protests are primarily against the prospect of violent resistance to Trump. Go look at their slogans and quit living in fantasy land.
Again, what have YOU done?
I never defended these protests. I only told you how to make your point actually stick, which is by showing what you did personally that was more effective than what they did. It’s you who failed such a simple task and made yourself look like a completely useless keyboard warrior.
What you are attempting to browbeat me with is called standpoint epistemology. This position isn’t premised on the identity of the speaker, however. That would be more like if I was arguing that I had accomplished a particular goal. Here I have pointed out that the very goal of these protests is to condemn violent resistance against a child-raping junta.
It does when you’re acting like you know better than the protesters, yet have done nothing that is actually better. Actually, you have not even proven that you’ve done anything even on par with them.
Everyone know keyboard warriors have a point, yet everyone also know they are keyboard warrior because they lack the courage to do what they expect others to do. In that sense, you are just a hypocrite unless you prove yourself to not be one. Your use of specific terms to explain things don’t change the fact that nobody listens to people who tell others to do things they are not willing to do themselves. Talk is cheap, even if it’s based on the truth.
No it doesn’t. Logic doesn’t change based on the speaker. Your username is a pedophile who supports Israel (and tedious wordcount-padder), and now that I have noticed it you are blocked for being too dense, just like his tasteless books.
The situation isn’t a joke. You are.
Epic clapbacks won’t stop the raids. You guys already tried that.
Epic (mediocre) clapbacks is all they got
The people stopping those raids are recruiting at protests. Meanwhile you do nothing.
Batman is there too, carrying a sign that says Restore Society. Meanwhile, Jimmy Kimmel is helping recruit people to stop ICE. This just in 🥳 he told his audience to start calling “North America” Turtle Island.
Well this seems like a great way for all these folks to be able to safely meet up in public and and spread their information on their local organizations and coordinate goals.
And I wasn’t going to make a sign that says that but not the worst idea.
I guess you will be there. 😉 Japes aside, this is complete bullshit, people won’t even cover their faces or leave their phones behind for this.
This is like people saying Sanders rallies were great sites of political organization, or protests in Free Speech Zones stopped the Iraq War. At Sanders rallies nobody spoke to each other and they went home with renewed passion to vote blue, just like this rally will result in. It’s easy to make shit up on the internet.
I just don’t think bringing folks down for at least attempting to do something positive and en masse is going to inspire any further actions.
Media, and much social media, paints the picture that “anti-trump” is a minority view. For people in small social circles it may be very reassuring to be able to SEE that their neighbors aren’t all maggat supporters, could even be encouraging and hopefully inspiring to now want to do more.
Think of the average person you know. Half the world is dumber than they are. - badly quoted George Carlin
My intention is not to bring people down. That sinking feeling could be the realization of how much time has been wasted on ineffectual tactics, when the bare minimum would be blocking & striking like I said, which requires a lot of discipline and motivation. These protests are explicitly condemning violent resistance and their intended effect is “exposing hypocrisy” of people who are visibly aroused by people calling them Nazis. This is a serious obstacle to collective resistance, people who are just as likely to hand you over to the cops as simply bowing down in front of them. Literally bowinf down; remember the liberal-organized parts of George Floyd protesting? Yeah, this is why I say it is a counterrevolutionary tactic the democratic party selfishly uses to try to sap some political energy for itself.
Being anti-Trump is absolutely not a minority view it’s that MAGA is supported by the petit boug, highly-paid salaried workers, police forces (more powerful than municipal/state govts or the federal judiciary depending on their level, with a hierarchy leading up to military intelligence via fusion centers and Silicon Valley tools), and the bourgeoisie including the private banks and zillionaires that fund both parties. These are the tactics of class warfare, primarily through ideological blinders. It’s totally palatable for everyone to go out and demand New Deal style benefits to them, because nothing will ever come of it, they don’t need to make those concessions since the 90s, and now they need to put the squeeze on everyone with insurance and other unavoidable ripoffs that are required to live in the core countries. The middle classes were artificial anyways, they have no means to resist their destruction by their creators without becoming class traitors.