Does anybody know how to set a window always on bottom in rust gtk4? set_type_hint() does not exist.
Linux gives users the freedom to keep using x11 :p
They are even free to thanklessly maintain X11 for all the other contrarian fossils, because the developers sure aren’t doing it anymore.
To be fair… XLibre is doing that.
badly though from what i hear.
Quote from their readme:
It’s explicitly free of any “DEI” or similar discriminatory policies.
Together we’ll make X great again!I’ll pass.
It sounded quite bad until I took the time to visit the website and read the entire text:
Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups and enhanced functionality.
This fork was necessary since toxic elements within Xorg projects, moles from BigTech, are boycotting any substantial work on Xorg, in order to destroy the project, to eliminate competition of their own products. Classic “embrace, extend, extinguish” tactics.
Right after journalists first began covering the planned fork Xlibre, on June 6th 2025, Redhat employees started a purge on the Xlibre founder’s GitLab account on freedesktop.org: deleted the git repo, tickets, merge requests, etc, and so fired the shot that the whole world heard.
This is an independent project, not at all affiliated with BigTech or any of their subsidiaries or tax evasion tools, nor any political activists groups, state actors, etc. It’s explicitly free of any “DEI” or similar discriminatory policies. Anybody who’s treating others nicely is welcomed.
It doesn’t matter which country you’re coming from, your political views, your race, your sex, your age, your food menu, whether you wear boots or heels, whether you’re furry or fairy, Conan or McKay, comic character, a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri, or just a boring average person. Anybody who’s interested in bringing X forward is welcome.
Together we’ll make X great again!
It seems to me this person is a bit of a conspiracy theorist and simply has a different understanding of what DEI means. Maybe an important lesson is not to believe everything you read on the internet.
I know this is pedantic but Linux does give users the free to do this. They just need to add a patch to their desktop and patch their app to make it so.
It gives you the freedom to do that, not the ability
Wayland is still too new for a lot of complex functionality. It works well enough for the vast majority of use cases, but X11 is still superior in terms of functionality. But like many systems, control means higher learning curve due to various quirks and complex configurations.
I don’t think there are any plans to add more functionality
I chose wrong, must be linux’s fault.
Why so salty? I am making an app that I want to stick on the background, and would like it to be cross-platform. I mean, there should be some way to achieve something this basic right? Also, Wayland is going to become the default, and most distros will switch to it.
Any time you point out any flaw in linux the fanboys come out to have a screech and tell you how its all your fault actually. I’ve learned you just gotta ignore them.
If’s FOSS, don’t cry about it, implement the feature the way you think is best; just like every one else.
And Linux people wonder why the year of the “desktop” never comes…
Gatekeep much?
You have the opportunity to be the change you want to see or make the change you want to see. Whining and crying about it doesn’t help anybody. It’s time you learned that.
Would you look at that? Heres one now.
You got me. Average FOSS user here. Be the change you want to see or make the changes you want to see. Stop whining and complaining. Pretty simple.
It is a design decision to have it implemented by each compositor. which means each one will implement it differently. Currently, the gtk4 layer shell supports some, like sway and hyperland, but not others, like gnome
Sounds like a good opportunity to add the features in the way you see fit.
it will be refused in the name of security. Which is notreally a good argument. “it rather involved being on the other side of that airtight hatchway” type of thing
That’s how FOSS works. Good ideas get adopted, bad ideas lose adoption. Even I dropped Gnome because of their bike shedding. This is the way.
well that’s the problem. “I don’t use it therefore it must be a bad idea”
“Everybody’s adopting other solutions. Our idea must be bad. Let’s consider other other solutions and decide if we want to continue with our current implementation.” /FTFY
You just haven’t tried it with the latest release of this fork of Plasma.
Then I’ll make my OWN distro. With blackjack. And hookers.
Seriously though… I will have NO desktop environment and run terminal only before I will accept Wayland. Either reach feature parity and stop gaslighting me about functionality that has been there in X11 for decades and is a necessary part of my workflow, or back off.
Amen.
Missing feature != Inability to customize
missing feature that used to be there but has been removed in the name of protecting me from myself, is an inability to customize.
You could just use X11
Which one are you talking about?
Alright then, since everyone assumes I’m here to participate in this shitty flamewar instead of genuinely asking what someone is talking about: the article does a pretty good job of explaining what the idea is behind not giving applications absolute coordinates to position their windows in. If that isn’t enough and you’re one of those people who insist that it must be those evil Wayland devs pushing their security agenda down everyones throats, then you might consider how much of a pain this was for any WM that wanted to do something like scrollable workspaces or managing a device that doesn’t have a standard screen shape. If anything, giving apps access to global coordinates the way X did, just makes them less portable to other environments. There are trade-offs here and you might disagree with the compromise we landed on for now, but all of this has already been discussed for years so at this point I really don’t care for snarky commentary from people who aren’t willing to contribute towards the changes they want to see.
I am not mad at the Wayland devs, it’s just unfortunate.
It really isn’t unfortunate, though.
Can’t you still script it with
wmctrlandxdotool?No. Those are X11 only.
I had a bunch of wmctrl window placement scripts that I had to rewrite in kwin’s (awful) scripting language when I switched to wayland.
While not all functions work, they do a lot of things in Wayland.
xdotool search,xdotool winactivate,xdotool windowsize,xdotool windowmove,xdotool keyup, andwmctrl -rall work fine, and my “move to” script (that positions all my windows on startup) works in Wayland using those.wmctrlandxdotooldon’t do anything for me with native Wayland windows. It only seems to work for applications that use Xwayland.So while I can use it to resize and position
xtermorurxvtwindows, it does not work withfootorkittyorfirefoxwindows.Interesting. I will test my laptop woth Firefox tomorrow, see if there is anything janky going on that would make it work.
I currently have it working with Chromium web apps, Thunderbird, and Element.
Is it bottom layer in wayland terminology (the one for bars and stuff)? In that case I think gtk4-layer-shell is the answer.
I meant as in keep the always on the bottom/background (or at least move it to the back on launch). I tried gtk4-layer-shell, but unfortunately, it doesn’t support some desktop environments (like GNOME).
why do you want to hide the window from the user in such a bizarre way? what’s the purpose?
