Per the title. If an animal dies out in nature without any human involvement, shouldn’t it be considered vegan to harvest any of the useful parts from it (not nessicarily meat, think hide), since there was no human-caused suffering involved?

Similarly, is driving a car not vegan because of the roadkill issue?

Especially curious to hear a perspective from any practicing moral vegans.

Also: I am not vegan. That’s why I’m asking. I’m not planning on eating roadkill thank you. Just suggesting the existence of animal-based vegan leather.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    104·
    10 hours ago

    You can do pretty much whatever you want man…

    Like “vegan” isn’t even a century old yet, it was made up in the 1940s by some guy who thought vegetarians weren’t good enough, and he set whatever rules he wanted to.

    You can just keep using his word, but not care about his rules.

    Or you can make up your own name and rules.

    People searching for labels they like and then conforming to every fucking aspect of that label and nothing else, doesn’t work out well.

    So please, if you want to eat roadkill just do it.

    • Chozo@fedia.io
      41·
      9 hours ago

      Like “vegan” isn’t even a century old yet, it was made up in the 1940s by some guy who thought vegetarians weren’t good enough, and he set whatever rules he wanted to.

      [citation needed]

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        83·
        9 hours ago

        but did you want to answer the question

        I did…

        it was made up in the 1940s by some guy who thought vegetarians weren’t good enough, and he set whatever rules he wanted to

        Every reason why you can/can’t do something and be Vegan, is because the guy who made the word up ~80 years ago decided it should be like that

        You’re acting like it’s a math or science, like it’s based on logic or something…

        It’s not, so the answer to “why” is essentially “because the founder said that”?

        Does that make sense now?

        • Beacon@fedia.io
          14·
          9 hours ago

          I’m not vegan and I’m here to tell you that your argument isn’t valid. Whoever invented a word doesn’t get to permanently declare exactly what it means down to the tiniest detail. Words change meaning over time. I would guess that especially new words change over time. The word “awful” originally meant full of awe. The word “terrible” originally meant a thing caused terror.

          It doesn’t matter what the creator of the word thought.

          • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            8 hours ago

            It doesn’t matter what the creator of the word thought

            Yeah…

            That’s why I said:

            You can just keep using his word, but not care about his rules.

            Thanks for aggressively agreeing with me I guess?

            Weird move, and I think it’s more likely you were just confused, it works better if you ask questions when you’re confused.