Approval of measure could determine if Republicans keep full control of government in next year’s midterm elections
It was a decisive victory for Democrats in deep-blue California, who had raced to counter a gerrymander in Texas, engineered at the US president’s behest, to carve out new safe Republican districts. The Associated Press declared Proposition 50 had passed almost instantly when polls closed statewide.
In approving the measure, voters chose to toss out the work of California’s independent redistricting commission and temporarily adopt maps drawn by the state legislature to help Democrats pick up five additional seats in the US House of Representatives.
Newsom and Democrats framed the measure as a way to safeguard US democracy from Trump’s “wrecking ball” presidency. By contrast, opponents offered a mixed message, with Republicans alternatively attacking Newsom and praising the work of the independent mapmaking panel.
No, they say their gerrymandering cancels out the democrats. That does not make it right, but they’ve been saying it every single time gerrymandering was brought up.
“Democrats started it.”
So my specificity is on point, actually, it’s you just blatantly overlooking that, because all you hear is what they say. I’m on your side dipshit.
Eh, sucks to suck.
… You didn’t listen. Democrats don’t say that. They say that it cancels out what Republicans are doing. Not that it cancels out Republicans.
So, yes, it does suck to suck. You either don’t know what you’re talking about, or you are lying. It’s that simple, buddy.
Ok, so first of all, you american dipshits annoy the crap out of me with your overuse of the word listen. I am reading, you aren’t saying a word to me. Always saying LiStEn like your conversation partner is soem kind of 3 year old. That’s besides the point.
The first sentence of your previous comment said “…I don’t think republicans say it cancels out anything.”. I then told you that is exactly what they were saying when the gerrymandering shit was brought up, if you want to know when I heard it, that was a year ago. Now you’re telling me you meant the democrats don’t say that. You’re inconsistent, possibly in your understanding of what I am saying.
And yes, democrats are canceling out the gerrymandering in Texas with their own in California.
So may I say, you don’t read.
Sorry you don’t like de lingua, buddy. I can adjust that, but your comments weren’t particularly helpful in that regard.
I think you’re taking what I said too literally. Fair, I said it’s not canceling out something, but that refers to an act, as you can imply from the second post, not a group of people, but I do see the confusion.
Personally, I don’t see people and actions as the same, so if you do, then that would be our miscommunication. Does that help, compadre? It’s sorta like a guy stopping fire fighters and another guy stopping that guy and you’re over here going “Wow, can’t believe these two guys are both stopping people.” Does that make sense to someone that acts like a three year old but definitely isn’t?
I’m just gonna ignore the first part of your post, because that seems like we would just have an infinite back and forth.
To use your mental image to reiterate: I was not standing there saying “Wow, I can’t believe these two guys are stopping people.”.
I was standing there, saying to someone else " Hey, they both are stopping people, but are saying they are right."
The appropriate response would have been “Well, one of them is wrong.” and not “Fuck, you’re an arsonist?”.
I can just say it again for clarity if you want. I don’t think you understand what I am after, even though I’ve spelled it out multiple times.
I am also completely perplexed that a person from lemmy.world just called me comrade lmaoo.
Compadre? Compadre is not uncommon here in the States, especially in the South, due to the dialectical intermingling of Spanish. Though it is similar, it has different connotations than comrade, but, you know, I don’t read, so I can’t tell the difference.
Sorry, I don’t know that word, since I’m neither a southern nor an american or from that side of the world, nor am I a native english speaker, so I assumed you spelt comrade wrong.
Highly recommend it. Sounds cool. Sounds like kum-pah-dray. Roll the R. Means companion or friend. Let’s you say howdy and y’all for free.
Thing is, the Republicans are lying. So when you quote their excuse verbatim and put them on the same level of truth and representation, you are spreading a lie / propaganda.
Republicans are not doing gerrymandering to counter Democrats gerrymandering. They are doing it to silence opposition, over-value their voters, steal power, and abuse the law-making and law-enforcing system. And they claim that they are following the law.
No, Democrats removing undue power by placing equal representation back on top is not the same thing. They are saying the same thing on the surface, but one side is obviously lying, and when you say they use the same thing, you ARE acting like the excuse has the same value as the truth. And if you wanted to spin it as “they both makethe same claim / use the same excuse” , now you’re casting doubt on the veracity of the Dem’s argument, which is also inappropriate. The only spin that would make sense is to say that Dems are correct and Reps are lying by making the same claim.
That’s why you get downvoted.
“Thing is, the Republicans are lying.” Yes.
“So when you quote their excuse and put them on the same level of truth and representation, you are spreading propaganda.” Well, it is propaganda, but I did not say that it is the truth, nor did I frame it that way. If Elon Musk said he wants to scan your genitals for world peace and I quote him saying that, does that make me think it is the truth?
“Republicans are not doing gerrymandering to…” Yes.
“…they are saying the same thing on the surface…one side…is lying…” Yes, that is what my comment was about.
“and if you wanted to spin it as “they both make the same claim…””
Well they are, one side is lying. Republicans say they want to cancel out the gerrymandering of the Democrats, which is bullshit.
You see, this is why I speak of nuance.
I say something along the lines of “Republicans and Democrats say the same thing about the other party gerrymandering.”.
From a reasonable person, I would expect a repsonse like “Yes, but one side is lying.”. Instead I get absolutely blasted. Are you aware that talking about issues is the first step to solving them? That talking about someone making up a political act is not the same as justifying a political act? How am I expected to talk about issues when the second I do there is not a single person wanting to talk about said issue and just tell me how wrong I am about an objectively right thing that has hapoened and is documented by both sides? Both said the same thing. That’s it. There is nothing more to it.
Americunt.
No, you don’t. You “observe” that both sides are “saying the same thing.” You remove all nuance. And then you piss around complaining about being misunderstood and misinterpreted. And it turns out everyone sees through you because everyone already knows the “just asking questions” “just observing (very vague surface level vacuities)” stereotype.
I’m not American, dumbass.