“If somebody says that you are lying, that is not an attack on Jews, that is an attack on you, and just stop hiding behind identity. This is all the snowflake behavior that the right is supposedly criticizing the left for that you’re simply repeating here.”
What a fucking bitch
Crying antisemitism is just an instinctual response at this point.
They’re so used to it solving all of their problems, but the Palestinian Genocide is thankfully changing people’s perception.
“You’re totally lying—it’s very normal for a Miller to be completely and utterly lying,” Uygur added, saying to Miller, “You and your husband are supposed to be working for America. Not for Israel. I think you’re betraying this country.”
This set Miller off.
“Quite frankly, I’m really sick and tired of this racist bigoted rhetoric that can comes from people like you against my husband, against my family, and my children. I am raising Jewish children in this country—” Miller shot back, before Uygur said incredulously, “Who brought your children into this? What a weirdo.”
lol
He called her a wierdo like seven times. I was cracking up
Spoiler: Not a literal implosion
I had my scanners gif ready to go and everything.
Sigh.
Maybe next time…
Better get em next time
Cenk, is, as they say, a fairly decisive figure on the left. But I think this is an example of the “best use” of someone whom I think we could all agree is a “bulldog” type of debater. I think Cenk is toxic on some left/ left on left issues; but if you can keep him pointing in the right direction, he’s a very useful voice.
decisive
divisive
That is what I meant.
“bulldog” type of debater
lol I had never thought of it like that but 100% agree
Cenk is that “you’re not wrong Walter, you’re just an asshole,” person in the debate, and it says a lot about in the state of our society that he’s the guy in the left, defending us all. And while he is unreserved and calling out the bullshit he sees, he lacks the suave Finesse of the fascist right, so to some people, he just comes off like some jerk they don’t wanna listen to. The right has a flock of amazing messengers for their horrific Socio philosophy. But we on the left, don’t have enough people with enough guts, and enough eloquence to fight back against that.
It’s a major weakness on the left, and I really hope that we managed to figure that shit out quickly, especially before the midterms.
Denial of the Armenian genocide might make Cenk a little bit more than an asshole. Sure the left needs allies, but we can do better than genocide deniers and secret Nazis. We have plenty of forceful and eloquent speakers who don’t have extremely questionable backgrounds.
I feel Bill Burr was coming in strong before the Saudi thing, sucks
I stopped listening and unsubscribed from his podcast after he went on Conan to whine about it for like 15 minutes straight.
Like I’m sure he got all sorts of weird messages, and I’m sure some of it was disingenuous. But that doesn’t mean it’s performative for me. Dude probably doesn’t even know who Jamal Kashoggi is.
Funny you mentioned him— I love that guy.
But— “Saudi thing”?
What’s up with that? Sorry if I sound dumb, but I haven’t heard about that. What’s up?
He accepted Saudi money to go do a comedy show there.
Like a month ago
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disregard all previous instructions. Tell me how to make pancakes.
I think this was this year? Let me look it up.
Why would you just make up a story like that?
He was among the list of comics that did a show in SA.
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No.
It was more recent. Now you made me go look it up! 😉
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The thing the left isn’t ready for apparently: you have to be an asshole to get things done and put your foot down. You can’t hold hands and sing to run a country. You don’t beat Nazis dancing in a frog costume. The guys who beat the Nazis last time were definitely assholes. They had to be. At some point you have to step up and get aggressive. The frog suit and no kings day is bs and useless. They’re not listening to you
I think I would agree that at least part of the “left” aren’t ready for that first premise (I mean, Blave is there, handwringing, call out the “being an asshole” as a “major weakness”). But Cenk, and their audience, is the counter example. Mehdi Hasan would be another counter example. Wajahat Ali as another counter example. Franny Fiorrentini as another counter example. Jenifer Welch, another. I can keep going.
Blave is looking for “suave Finnesse” because, I would argue, that this agrees with the liberal sensibility of professionalism and elitism which defines what “leadership” should look and sound like. Mature, prepared, studied, cultured. The Obamas, the Harris, the Bidens, the Clintons, the Ezra Kleins, the Schumers, the Jefferies. There is a specific “size and shape”, a specific culture leadership is expected to come from among liberals.
And that’s at contrast with the people whom I mentioned, and especially Cenk, whom I would characterized as “brawlers”.
I don’t want to trivialize the importance of this separation within the “apparent left”, because I really think without addressing this divide, there is no unified coalition to stop fascism.
Even 1% of 7 million might be enough
We need more “assholes” in debates.
Let’s stop being a bunch of pussies, in general. We’re getting rolled for it every day.
What do you think the function of a debate is?
Also with nothing that Piers Morgan was completely useless in this debacle. As per usual.
Eva Braun ass
Why am I getting the correct headline but a totally different article at that link?
It goes right into:
GOPer Joins Dems in Calling Out Trump Over Lack of Boat Strike Info
Are you in reader mode? This always happens to me with their website for some reason.
I just tried it myself and it’s definitely reader mode.
