The question has been framed in the streets: is a government that impoverishes healthcare and nutrition, flouts the law, enriches its officials, imprisons babies, and kills its citizens worth the money it collects, much less the respect and obedience it demands?
Democrats have nothing to lose by shutting down the government to force the majority party to respond to these questions and the one that looms over all: what, if any, is the political and moral future of the US?
too late, the dems caved.
Its like
The Untied States needs to just start over from scratch
The resulting power vacuum would result in something far worse. Our best chance is to revive this dead democracy and fix the shit that allowed this to happen.
I don’t think that’s possible though with this electorate.
At the very least the DNC needs to go, that is a non-negotiable truth at this point.
But the RNC can stay, we’re cool with them apparently.
No but nobody is deluded about the RNC being better except maga cult members (don’t take my word for it, look at the polling) and I think we can all agree reaching them is a waste of time vs organizing around creating an actual opposition party.
No but nobody is deluded about the RNC being better
Ok, so discourage people from voting for Democrats, what happens? You support the worse (not by a little by the way, by a TON) option.
creating an actual opposition party.
Just like in 2016 and 2024. We’ll just make sure the government stays in Republican hands until we create out mythical perfect party. We’re so smart.
You have such a tiny worldview, but whatever go on believing that, people like you are becoming an endangered species. Your ideology allows for no change, everything is perfectly fragile and if we make any move to demand better we will certainly shatter it all as far as you are concerned.
Save your breath and get out of the way.
Specially the RNC branch of the DNC. Specially important to not allow people with repeated last names or family ties to be president. There’s plenty of last names that haven’t had a turn at being president. Also we need a woman president and quick!
There is no RNC branch of the DNC.
Also we need a woman president and quick!
Are you serious?
Very serious. The RNC branch with all their ballot conspiracy and murderous actions should step aside so that someone can fix their mess. Like when Gramps spills a glass of milk on the table because he soiled himself. Grandpa RNC just needs his fox news and a few pills. The rest of us gotta clean that shit up and move on…don’t let Gramp’s back in the kitchen. The shit economy is going to shit because of the RNC branch. Hopefully we get women candidates that are not crazy pedophiles. No more white guys for president unless we vote for them… We as in all of us not some representative assholes that the RNC can just gerrymander to get the votes they need. Stay out of the government and out of our neighborhoods.
The “evil DNC” ran two women. Progressives refused to vote for either. Funnily enough, an old white man did win.
. The RNC branch with all their ballot conspiracy
What ballot conspiracy?
murderous actions
Again, what?
Gramps
I find it amusing when old age suddenly becomes no big deal when we’re talking about Bernie.
The shit economy is going to shit because of the RNC branch.
The economy is shit because of Republicans and their idiotic tariffs. It was growing under Biden, not really sure how this criticism makes sense.
The “evil DNC” ran two women. Progressives refused to vote for either. Funnily enough, an old white man did win.
And yet progressives have hated Biden since always. The constant racism disguised as “gaffes from crazy uncle Joe” and his authoring civil asset forfeiture, and his money stream form AIPAC showed anyone that was paying attention that he was an absolute idiot. Sure some of them votes for him in 2000 to get rid of trump, but that was because they had little choice in the matter. The uncommitted vote in 2024 in the dem primary was all progressives too.
Hillary lost because of the rage around her shanking Bernie in the primary. Kamala lost because she wouldnt disavow her support for genocide. if you want to distill that down to the being female, I guess good luck with that-- live in whatever fantasy world you need to in order to keep from experiencing any cognitive dissonance.
Personally, I think that a future incarnation of the United States can be one nation, but divided into four regions, each with their own president and branches. Western, Middle, Eastern, and Outer America. The outer region is places outside of the contiguous US, such as Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, military bases like Djibouti, Greenland, and so forth.
These presidents can elect a Figurehead President, who heads the national executive for one term, and no more. Each region donates soldiers and other resources to the national government, and the national court is expanded to have an equal number of justices from each region. I am thinking about 21 justices - 4 from each region, and each president selecting a justice who represents their executive branch during the tenure of their president.
This would make it much harder for any one faction to have controlling power over politics, and make genuine collaboration much more likely.
“Burn it all down” is a simplistic, unrealistic strategy. It’s said more to express frustration than to suggest serious policy.
The Democrats faux concerned the air traffic controllers not working and not being paid, to kowtow to the Republicans in the last shutdown. The Dems had its members “break rank” who happened to be politicians, whose election won’t be coming soon or are retiring. The Democrats will pull the same manipulative tactics. They won’t be in this game for so long if they are not that devious.
The Democrats faux concerned the air traffic controllers not working and not being paid
What’s the “faux concern”? Have you given any thought at all to what it would mean if air traffic controllers weren’t working?
You know how Lemmy loves to bring up the trolley problem? Furloughing air traffic controllers for couple of weeks is less bad, than the effects of cutting Medicare to millions, and giving funds to ICE to brutalise America’s own citizens, which are far more consequential and far reaching, and will be felt by an entire society for generations to come.
But the Democrats insist that it wasn’t working, so naturally we have to let the fascist murdering Republicans do whatever the fuck they want!
We gave them the presidency and Congress and the Supreme Court, indirectly. The voters, that is.
This traitor isn’t coming to save us.
How is he a traitor? We’ll never hold the majority again having to deal with you guys. You just don’t care. “Win” (you won’t) at all costs.
- Shut down the US government.
- Each state puts forth a new constitution elevating themselves to country status.
- Form a new North American Union (like the EU) with Canada as Daddy
- ???
- Profit
Canada doesn’t want to babysit you guys. Seriously, every time a yankee doodle dipshit proposes Canada to take over some US states, it just sounds like immature fuckups who don’t want to take responsibility for yourself and move out of your parent’s basement.
2 would mostly only happen in red states. The rest mostly know how to cooperate.
And you know that California doesn’t need Canada, even less when you consider the rest of the US west coast in with it.
Each state puts forth a new constitution elevating themselves to country status.
I hope my state can successfully wage war against every state to the south of it.
Isnt that like kicking meth addicted people over? seems cruel?
While my theory is based on various sci-fi so should be taken with a mine of salt, my guess is that USA will split into three different countries: NUSA (lol Cyberpunk) which will comprise of the original 13 colony states and the upper North East, The California Republic which will essentially be the West and NW and in good relations with NUSA but with different legislature, and the South which might be called anything from Texas, New Texas, Republic of Texas, or New Louisiana Territory, which will essentially be a war-torn area full of religious extremists not unlike Middle-Eastern areas after the West had their way with them. It will be full of forever wars by religious factions funded by the MIC shareholders of various other countries but in the public face it’ll be covered by the media as religious extremism and/or patriotic fanaticism while ignoring the material reality and history of the situation.
The south could bring slavery and cousin/sister shagging back like they have always wanted. I say let them have their theocracy. We build a wall around the enture south and make it into a reality tv show for the world. and, profit.
When season 45 ends we can then just give whatever rubble is left to cuba to figure out.
That’s just the plot from escape from new York.
In the American Civil War the North had the advantage in Navy, population, wealth, and industrial power.
Now those advantages in population and industrial capacity are flipped. In the scenario you project the south could devolve into infighting and hollow out, but a single charismatic figure could unite them, and that would pose a terrible threat to the NEUSA and the Cali Republic. Have you read Rurtledove’s American Front?
The south would collapse so fast lol what
Some states have proven that, without federal intervention, they cannot effectively govern themselves. Texas, for instance…
If you don’t feel like your representatives are adequately representing you (God knows I don’t), this is a good time to find a primary candidate to support (monetarily or with your time) - or even file to run yourself. Every house representative is up for reelection in November.
Shut it the fuck down until the weasels in the GOP actually have their arm twisted to engage with empathy. I’d be personally affected by a shutdown, but it’s a sacrifice I’d make for a long time if it means any kind of progress against the fucking fascist pedophile protectors in office.
Didn’t Schumer already cave? Or did I misread a headline?
IIRC, he’s starting negotiations in the middle and is eager to give up even more.
Man, I wish Democrats were the heartless, scheming, cut-throat, socialist maniacs that I was told they were growing up in a Republican household…
The country would be in much better shape if it were true…
Here’s the thing, they are, possibly even better than republicans, they’re taking the same corporate pro israel bribe money, they just didn’t also align themselves with the insane neo Nazis, Christian terrorists, and loudmouth idiots.
Put in simple terms, Republicans are the sword. Democrats are the shield.
kudos for the PG rating on your comment. My mind usually goes to fluffers, dildos, and butt plugs when making such comparisons.
No taxation without representation. We know Trump/ Elon / Putin hacked the election. This is NOT the will of the American people. Cut them off of our tax dollars. They want small government so bad, see what they can do without revenue from blue cities/ states.
To do that, we’ll need to split off from the federal banks.
Don’t threaten me with a good time
