• czl@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    10 days ago

    I’m sure Ukraine, the Baltic trio and Poland agree with you.

    Edit: shit, so many opinions of me based on a less than 15 word comment. I’m sure y’all are fun at parties.

    • plinky [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      10 days ago

      Each one of these countries was in coalition of the willing, no? and zionist bootlicker extraordinaire as we can observe.

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      Considering they are aligned with the west, who plunder the world’s wealth through export of capital and unequal exchange, that’s not really surprising. Opposition to NATO is pretty basic among anti-imperialists and the global south in general.

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        God damn it, I hate my education system. I thought NATO was the peacekeeper of the world — a valuable residue of WWII. One sided propaganda-based education developed to fuel a belief in American exceptionalism and nationalistic egoism. This education-level propaganda is pretty effective because you don’t actually know what details to question, and so you grow up with some pretty bold assumptions about how the world works (and don’t even realize it). They had me believing Christopher Columbus was some kind of messiah-explorer too.

        How does this happen? My anti-conspiracy brain wants to believe there’s no such thing as an evil man behind the curtain, twisting his mustache and orchestrating these details like ”meh, we need to make sure all the kids believe in this propaganda such that we have an imperialistic society.” So, short of that, how does this happen so effectively?

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          2 major factors: In any given society, the mode of production is reinforced by the culture, laws, and ideology of said mode of production. Secondly, people license themselves to believe that whatever they think benefits them is good. Capitalism reinforces ideas like individualism, NATO is good, etc, and we go along with it until our material conditions force us into seeing a new reflection of reality, be it at the workplace, or seeing hard evidence online, being the victim of a bombing campaign, etc. It isn’t a man behind the curtain, but capital and the capitalist class.

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      10 days ago

      Nato is an imperialist alliance that was created to fight imperalist USSR. Many of the funding countries was still colonizing other countries when it was created. Nato also destroyed Lybia which is the clearest example of it not being just a defensive alliance. Nato also collaborate with Israel who hold the longest current occupation, again has nothing to do with Europe protection.

      The US could leave Nato today, attack a Nato country and Nato will do nothing about it

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        10 days ago

        One major correction, the USSR was anti-imperialist, which is why the imperialists collaborated to oppose them. Their colonies were in danger of liberation due to the soviets aiding anti-imperialist movements.

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          10 days ago

          If the USSR was anti-imperialist it wouldn’t have been involved in Afghanistan

          edit: Imperialism : a policy of extending a country’s power and influence through diplomacy or military force.

          It was imperialism since the goal was to spread socialism to other countries and I have no issues with socialism.

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            10 days ago

            Comparing Afghanistan to 500 years of European colonialism is an interesting strategy.

            Especially since it send to ignore the fact Russia became involved in Afghanistan due in part to Western nations sponsoring a series of coups to take control of their former colony in the first place.