I think you totally misunderstood. I’m saying of course Israel and USA, enemies of Iran’s current leadership are going to help the protests and that in itself imo shouldn’t be a reason to dismiss those protesting and defend the status quo. If the people want to take down the conservative government or the theocratic system then I’m all for it, it doesn’t really matter imo who supports them in that effort. To me that doesn’t taint the action of people taking down the system
Indeed, and thats a big if, given that the progovernment protests also against foreign interference were by orders of magnitude larger. Look its impossible to pretend to care for iranians, if you trust us and israel in their intentions. Thats simmilar to say if nazis helped russians overthrow their soviet gvmt. Now i wonder did some russian disident make such a claim?
And again noone is defending the gvmt for the sake of it. What the point is, that foreign backed coup, like the one in syria, would give horrendous results, and it would help far worse governments like the israels genociders. Also in no way would this get iran closer to good defense. After they get nukes, then they will be safe.
But dont get me wrong, under shah absolutely i would have supported the revolutionary gvmt. They are at least iranian, not foreign owned. And they were indeed revolutionary.
Who out there is trusting the US and Israel? I’m just saying them being on one side doesn’t mean the other side is the right one. If Iranians want to take down their theocratic conservative government I’m all for it, no matter who decided to support it.
because replacing an internal semi dictatorial gvmt with foreign engineered collapse doesnt produce freedom, it produces Iraq, Syria, libya etc
its simmilar to argument that nazis offered russians a chance against stalin. technically true, catastrophically immoral, and lethal in practice
I agree if we ignore context then no issue. i mean you respond to none of my points, this is like talking at a wall. Reread my previous comment and respond to what i actually wrote. For example whats wrong with th syriam socialism? Why dont you appreciate that gvmt? Didnt syrians want it?
also your claim rests on some iranian people, yet the progvmt demonstrations were far larger. Can you explain this issue?
That sounds very much like the line the government is using to dismiss the protests. I’m not sure it is true, consider how real the grievances the people have are.
Also you constantly making up positions I have and attacking those, then being surprised that I ignore them. If you don’t want to engage with what I’m saying and instead engage with something else, then what’s the point of me replying to that?
I had no idea you were trying to do a serious debate. You wrote so much weird irrelevant stuff that had nothing to do with what I had said that I just thought you wanted to just argue
I think you totally misunderstood. I’m saying of course Israel and USA, enemies of Iran’s current leadership are going to help the protests and that in itself imo shouldn’t be a reason to dismiss those protesting and defend the status quo. If the people want to take down the conservative government or the theocratic system then I’m all for it, it doesn’t really matter imo who supports them in that effort. To me that doesn’t taint the action of people taking down the system
Indeed, and thats a big if, given that the progovernment protests also against foreign interference were by orders of magnitude larger. Look its impossible to pretend to care for iranians, if you trust us and israel in their intentions. Thats simmilar to say if nazis helped russians overthrow their soviet gvmt. Now i wonder did some russian disident make such a claim?
And again noone is defending the gvmt for the sake of it. What the point is, that foreign backed coup, like the one in syria, would give horrendous results, and it would help far worse governments like the israels genociders. Also in no way would this get iran closer to good defense. After they get nukes, then they will be safe.
But dont get me wrong, under shah absolutely i would have supported the revolutionary gvmt. They are at least iranian, not foreign owned. And they were indeed revolutionary.
Who out there is trusting the US and Israel? I’m just saying them being on one side doesn’t mean the other side is the right one. If Iranians want to take down their theocratic conservative government I’m all for it, no matter who decided to support it.
because replacing an internal semi dictatorial gvmt with foreign engineered collapse doesnt produce freedom, it produces Iraq, Syria, libya etc
its simmilar to argument that nazis offered russians a chance against stalin. technically true, catastrophically immoral, and lethal in practice
I agree if we ignore context then no issue. i mean you respond to none of my points, this is like talking at a wall. Reread my previous comment and respond to what i actually wrote. For example whats wrong with th syriam socialism? Why dont you appreciate that gvmt? Didnt syrians want it?
also your claim rests on some iranian people, yet the progvmt demonstrations were far larger. Can you explain this issue?
That sounds very much like the line the government is using to dismiss the protests. I’m not sure it is true, consider how real the grievances the people have are.
Also you constantly making up positions I have and attacking those, then being surprised that I ignore them. If you don’t want to engage with what I’m saying and instead engage with something else, then what’s the point of me replying to that?
which of my points did you react to? I cant see single one, are you unable or unwilling? Whats wrong with syrian socialism?
I quoted the part
Ok this isnt a serious debate, ive explained nemerous times the thing you ‘quoted’ also this isnt a quote, this is not even a phrase
I had no idea you were trying to do a serious debate. You wrote so much weird irrelevant stuff that had nothing to do with what I had said that I just thought you wanted to just argue