This could be huge for vehicle design as a whole.
I’ll belive it when a lab has verified the batteries are actually solid state. The CEO appears to be a grifter and they had no battery prototypes on hand at CES? Smells awfully like a scam.
What is the point in a $37,000 bike with SS battery and 600km of range. ICE bikes get about 200km a tank. No one rides 600km a day on a naked sport bike. If the point of SS batteries is fast charging , then why carry around 33 KWhr of overpriced battery?
This is a bike designed by non motorcyclists and marketed on numbers. 1000nm instant torque? That’s unrideable. 3.5 sec 0-60 is not fast for a motorcycle, so their math doesn’t even make sense. It’s just a bunch of numbers. 200kw charging? Who cares, and good luck finding a charger that will do that.
Every premium price EV bike company has gone broke.
I think the bike exists to sell the battery. I’m getting a strong feeling there is no intention for the bike to be profitable, but rather as a proof that what they’re selling works by showcasing a real-world model that people can buy and drive.
With their plans to out-scale Tesla in battery manufacturing, it seems to me that they’re hoping to capture deals with EV manufacturers.
Don’t worry, there’s no way it’ll do 600km outside of a perfect lab test. 200 km is more likely, maybe 300.
The rear wheel of the bike in the picture tells me all of this is completely fantasy.
They have been trying to make the hubless wheel a futuristic thing for so long it’s technically retro now.
The hubless wheel is on their current models. It’s basically their signature differentiator.
There’s reason to be skeptical of the company and its claims as a whole, but at least that particular feature has shipped and has been test driven by reviewers:
https://thepack.news/11000-km-in-2-months-marc-travels-rides-the-verge-ts-across-europe/
There is no advantage to a hubless wheel.
Sure there is. There’s a value to some people to look different. That translates to dollars.
There’s not a Performance advantage to a hubless wheel.
Motorcycle buyers, especially sportbikes, don’t take kindly to bullshit. Hubless wheels are heavy, have more wear components and are pointlessly complex. But pointless complexity is a requirement in EVs to justify the overprice.
And truck buyers value functionality. Yet the cyber truck made money. 🤷♂️
Well thanks for correcting me, that is wild. I can’t imagine it’s actually pragmatic.
At least it being a fully integrated hub(less) electric motor makes it a much more sensible of a solution than many other tries with all kinds of belt drives and gears and cogs and stuff.
Adding a bunch of unsprung weight is a poor decision when it comes to handling though, and that’s something pretty important in a motorbike that’s trying to do more than just low speed commuting. Such a design will also be putting a lot of vibration through the motor components which is not good for longevity. It’s more a case of going for the (admittedly distinctive) aesthetic rather than being sensible.
Makes me wonder about the wheel’s rotational inertia, too. In theory, a hubless wheel could be lower mass overall without the need for a center axle/hub and spokes connecting the outside to the center. But that’s all weight saved in the center of the wheel with lower effect on overall rotational inertia. Visually, the picture that makes the thumbnail in this post shows that the brake disc has to be further from the center of the wheel, which I imagine adds a lot more weight (more material necessary for the overall brake disc being a larger circle) and a lot more rotational inertia (further from the center).
Maybe the whole design itself can save weight in certain places that make up for the weight added in other places. But I just have a ton of questions, and am overall pretty skeptical of the long term potential of this design.
Looks cool, though, I guess.
I think it’s irresponsible of the Verge to tout an electric motorcycle’s range as “up to 600km”. It’s absolute fantasy.
I have an electric dirtbike and a gas bike. My gas bike has an 11.1 L tank and can go about 360km per tank.
The highest actual range I’ve seen on an electric motorcycle is about 100km of mixed use (highway and city).
Solid state batteries have the potential capability of having almost double the power density as lithium ion. So approx 200-300km (maybe).
Pretty solid but doubling THAT is just dishonest and in no way going to happen. You’re claiming to have more power density than internal combustion. That’s just straight up dishonest.
It’s not The Verge. It’s Verge Motorcycles. I know, it confused me too.
It’s a 33 kwhr battery, cars with that amount of storage get 250km.
It’s 600 km (in ideal conditions) <- this is the part they don’t say.
It doesn’t matter. It’s a lie. Ideal conditions and driving the bike at 19km/h achieves that. How many people are going to be driving a top speed of 19km/h on a bike? Their stats are physically impossible given the hardware they’re stating and are relying on people with little knowledge of real world range on electric motorcycles or charge density of solid state vs lion
I think it’s irresponsible of the Verge to tout an electric motorcycle’s range as “up to 600km”. It’s absolute fantasy.
Reached 310.69km with 7% charge on the 20.2kWh battery remaining during a challenge in London.
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2025/april/verge-electric-bike-distance-record/
It took 16 hours though, so that works out to around 19km/h or 12mph. 🐌
Yes so even gaming this by driving very slowly, the range isn’t even close
are solid state batteries even ready for mass production yet ?
Yes
But do they make loud wroom wroom noises? If not half of motorcyclists will not be interested.
But there is something in that to be fair, it is a lifestyle, culture and hobby. I thought the livewire looked cool but I would say its novelty, I wouod find it difficult to see them as equals.
I’ll sell an add on speaker. Loud pipes save lives.
Loud pipes save lives.
That study just proves that they need to be REALLY loud to work. Aight then.
Arwe there any non-“solid state” battery for motorcycles? What is the generation principle?
https://www.flashbattery.tech/en/blog/how-solid-state-batteries-work/
I think their naming leaves a lot to be desired :)
Anyone have a non-video summary/article?
Pulled the CC data from downsub, asked AI to summarize, then reviewed the CC to make sure it was accurate.
It’s mostly fluff centered around data about a couple of new packs and claimed ranges.
20 kWh Pack
- Range: 350 km
- Charging power: Up to 100 kW
- Adds 200 km of range in 10 minutes
30 kWh Solid‑State Pack
- Range: 600 km on a single charge
- Charging power: Up to 200 kW
- Adds 300 km of range in under 10 minutes
Claims to be largest motorcycle battery of its kind
SO they’re decently large, can charge quickly, I’d be a bit surprised if they were getting those actual ranges in real-world scenarios.
