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  • 🇵🇸antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml
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    12 days ago

    Always blaming the voters never actually holding your electeds to any sort of standard. If you voted for someone supporting genocide I kindly discard your opinion thanks :)

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      12 days ago

      This is the stupidity that brought Trump to power. You are responsible for everything he does as president. Congratulations.

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        12 days ago

        Trump is a symptom of the apathy of the likes of you. You don’t think people outside the US are human.

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          12 days ago

          Liberals like this can’t be reasoned with they are stuck in their own little bubble thinking if only they vote harder they can get that change they want. They are stuck fighting for their meaningless existence as an independent actor free of the shackles of others to the detriment of the collective action they desperately need but view with such disdain.

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            12 days ago

            And somehow, you’ve convinced yourself that doing nothing will change things for the better.

            What a crock of shit lmao

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              12 days ago

              How does voting for the same people with the same inane politics that don’t benefit you at all help?

              It feels like you haven’t thought about it at all. I encourage you to do that painful as it might be.

              The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

              Also I love that y’all never have any substantive response just shit flinging. Deeply unserious and makes you look like a moron to anyone but those who lack any kind of knowledge at all (such as yourself based on your responses).

              Also laughable you think I am doing nothing. I’m an extremely active member of local organizing groups in my area. Last year we got legislation protecting transgender people passed and we’ve bolstered our rapid response network for combating ICE among other things.

              What are you doing?

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                12 days ago

                And among the other things you’ve done, you’ve helped to fund ICE, you’ve helped to increase healthcare costs for millions of americans, you’ve helped destabilize venezuela

                This is not shit flinging. This is the reality of not voting. You have enabled these things to happen.

                I know what I did. I tried to help avoid these things.

                You sure as fuck did not.

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                  12 days ago

                  See this is the same idiotic line of reasoning that leads us to having ever worse political candidates. It not the party’s fault for having dogshit warmonger candidates who want to further entrench corporate oligarchy in the US its the people who don’t want to vote for that!

                  So fucking stupid dude why are you so hellbent on being a willing cuck to the system that fucking hates you and wants you dead?

                  How you are not mad at the Dems for not running all the most popular policies that would have slam dunk won the election is crazy lmao. It’s loser shit and speaks to how servile you are to the systems that be.

                  Also just FYI if every person who didn’t vote (I did vote BTW just not for Kamala or Trump) voted for Kamala she still lost so your argument doesn’t even make sense. Also the number one reason why people didnt vote for her was Gaza and the second was the economy. What do you think this means about how she should have run her campaign if she wanted to win?

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                    12 days ago

                    When the opposing ticket to milquetoast is literal fascism, i will vote milquetoast every day of the fucking week.

                    You wouldnt though, youd rather have the fascism.

                    You can justify your shitty actions all you want, but reality is still reality.

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                    12 days ago

                    If you didn’t vote for Harris, you enabled Trump. It’s really that simple.

                    At a national level, the winner of any given election will be the Republican or the Democrat. There literally is no other choice.

                    The last time a 3rd party candidate even came close was Ross Perot in 1992, and he won exactly 0 states.

                    Prior to that? George Wallace, 1968, who captured the “I really want Nixon, but man, he’s just not racist enough!” vote. He won 5 states.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_United_States_presidential_election

                    Outside that? 3rd parties hover around 1%, 3%, on a really good day maybe 5%.

                    So you can choose to help a candidate you like or you can choose to hurt a candidate you don’t like.

                    Voting 3rd party only hurts the mainstream candidate closest to your position and helps the one farther from your opinion.

                    So what do we do to fix all this?

                    #1 - Get 100% vote by mail in every state. We saw what a difference it made in 2020.

                    #2 - Endorse progressive candidates at the local level and vote them up the chain. Mamdani is a great start in New York, let’s see what he does then move him up to Congress or the Senate. He’ll never make President because he’s not a native born citizen, but how far up can he go?

                    #3 - The poison is first past the post elections, that needs to change, but as we saw in 2024, people are incredibly resistant to changing it. People voted it down, and in elections where it was used, voters skipped those votes.

                    https://stateline.org/2024/11/14/ranked-choice-voting-faces-cloudy-future-after-election-setbacks/

                    Ranked choice was on the ballot in multiple states + Washington D.C. Only D.C. passed it.

                    Portland used it for a city election and one district saw a 20% drop in votes:

                    https://www.opb.org/article/2024/12/17/why-portlands-district-1-voter-participation-lagged-other-districts-in-first-election-using-ranked-choice-voting/