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Federal agents briefly detained our reporter at the scene, who says he was tackled to the ground and had a gun put in his face.
Killing ICE Officers now seems like a moral good. They’ll kill you first. Well, they’ll disarm you first, then summarily execute you.
Acting in defense of others is a legitimate defense. When ICE comes to town, people are going to unlawfully die at their hands. Stopping them before they can murder more innocent, unarmed citizens is the civic thing to do.
It is, but actually doing it means a shooting war with the US military. That war may well happen even if we dont go around killing ICE, but letting them start it for no reason at all will mean more support on our side, and better odds.
This doesn’t mean you can’t use force in self-defense, or to stop a massacre, but it does mean that just up and killing them isn’t strategically a good move at this time
As opposed to the one-sided shooting-war ICE is engaged in against the people?
Your point is very valid.
However, personally (and kinda anecdotally), I doubt the US military would EVER side with ICE.
There’s an unspoken heirarchy within those that serve in police, fire, EMD, and military services. Many of them actually have overlapping skill sets and training requirements. Meaning many military end up as officers or EMD’s. Or officers turnover to fire (there’s literal waiting lists to get into fire departments filled with ex-LE officers.)
The point is, this heirarchy is always determined by the amount of training necessary to hold each position. Usually with EMD and Military near the top in terms of total training needed, both physically, mentally, and practically. Below that is police and fire, both requiring weeks or months of training a year, and each placing large and permanant physical and mental demands on those that manage to complete the training. Both groups usually look up with respect to EMD and Military. If not for their training, but more for the fact that EMD’s have saved officer and fire fighter lives many many times. So theirs a respect that runs very deep between all these people who choose such demanding careers.
Especially the ones willing to put themselves through literal hell training just to possibly save lives. I cannot place enough emphasis on the possibly part. Because you have to get used to death in these jobs.
ICE training is less than 47 days.
Few if any in LE or FIRE respect them. Mostly because most ICE are rejected from their programs for failing training. So they are very much seen as a failure to ALL of these groups, placed in the subbasement of this heirarchy at best. Especially by the military, who have far more training requirements, yet now all earn far less than anyone dumb enough to join ICE.
The people who’ve dedicated themselves to just having a chance to save a life, do not respect those that on a whim one month decided to cosplay as someone that’s “protecting” others. They’re an insult to pretty much anyone that actually does the job ICE barely pretends to.
I VERY sincerely doubt anyone in the Military would be willing to protect a group of untrained cosplayers who all very likely failed to learn how to protect themselves. If anything, the human corpses ICE is unnecessarily creating very much frames them as the bad guy to ALL the people whose job it is to actually prevent corpses from happening.
They do not have friends willing to join them. They are nothing but a national embarrassment to anyone that could.
Excellent post. I also believe that when it comes right down to it, the military is NOT going to back Trump’s worst instincts. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he backed down from his Greenland demands because his own military told him that they would refuse to fire upon our NATO allies.
I want to highlight this:
ICE training is exactly 47 days. Why? To honor the 47th president. Seriously.
ICE training wasn’t a carefully considered program that happened to last 47 days. Some sycophantic loser CHOSE that number because he knew Daddy would hear about it and be pleased for a few seconds. This is the kind of thinking that is managing our nation.
By the blood in the streets, it looks like they already have
Tell that to Renee Good or the guy they just disarmed and executed.