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cross-posted from: https://thelemmy.club/post/43094801
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Already preordered mine
Risky move, but I hope you’ll enjoy it.
Why risky? The company is not new, they’ve been selling cases with keyboard to a few years.
It’s their first phone indeed but it’s quite cheap so wor ty giving a try imo
I made a community for it: !clickscommunicator@thelemmy.club
Can it do Linux touch and ditch android?
Seriously. This would be a sweet Linux phone.
Ditto
I saw this kickstarter alternative the other day. IMO if it becomes a reality it would be better simply due to the fact that it fully supports linux instead of android.
I’m gonna keep an eye on it and see if it ends up becoming reality after the kickstarter.
Yeah that looks mega cool but it’s not a cellular device, so I’d still need a phone. I’m really not interested in carrying more devices.
I really want a Linux phone but I e played with them and they are just not to the point of being able to use as a sole device yet.
18hr of battery with the display off is a killer, and even if you could get an m.2 modem working in it m.2 modems tend to be far less efficient than the ones integrated to cell phone hardware. At least it my experience with Quectel and Sierra m.2 modems is representative of other brands.
this device is designed to be your secondary smartphone
In this economy?
lol imagine having two phones, takes years to save up just to buy one!
Have you tried being rich? I highly recommend it.
Could also try being frugal, there are plenty of smart phones for 200-300$ that will do everything your $1200 iPhone will do with a longer battery life. Most people I know spend more on a phone annually than I spend on my last car! And no u don’t need a new phone every year or two. Currently typing from my Moto G I got for 200$ new.
I don’t buy a new phone more often than probably one every five or six, so I don’t really mind buying an expensive flagship.
The problem tends to be though that people buy an expensive phone and then later have financial difficulties. And people criticise them for having an expensive phone as if they could have known that that would be an issue a year or so down the line.
The other part of the equation here is not every body has 200$ to buy a cash phone, but these days you have to have a phone. So if ur poor what do you do? Spend 200$ you don’t have on a cheap phone or walk out of verizon for 0$ with a brand new iPhone that retails for 1400$ but only cost u an extra 20$ a month for the rest of your life? It’s the same reason a lot of poor people buy new Nissans (read about how they made money on subprime loans if ur interested) and it brings into perspective how expensive it is to be poor!
Legit sound advice, I use the cheaper android phones so I never spend more than £120 on one. Only issue I ever have is the lacking RAM, otherwise they’re great.
I paid 70€ on my current phone, and it has 8GB of RAM, and even a headphone jack. Buying used is great
Work often issues work phones. They’re likely to be quite swayed by something focused on communication.
That’s their marketing pitch but it has every feature you’d need to make it your only phone, which is my plan.
It’s such a weird marketing pitch though…
Maybe a way for them to be able to say one day: “yes, it’s not selling in big numbers, but we aren’t competing against the others anyway, ours is a second phone, so it’s not a failure!” I mean, I don’t even know if that makes sense, but it’s the only spin I can give to it.
I miss Palm and WebOS.
If it had an unlocked bootloader where i could install ubuntu touch i’d buy it. Otherwise naw.
Do you currently daily Ubuntu touch? How is it?
It’s good, no annoying UI gotchas, never had a problem with calling/receiving/texts. Waydroid works great using F-Droid/Aurora store.
I am very uneducated on the topic so bear with me here, can you run android apps on Linux mobile? Thinking banking apps here- thats the main thing holding me back. Not that I really NEED to do mobile banking mobile most days but it has saved my hide a couple times lol. Been thinking about changing the os on my Motorola, my buddy told me to try graphene but it’s pixel only. Not sure where to start but would love to de Google my phone a bit, tired of having to go and disable “features” (Gemini, assistant etc). Android these days is so bloated and sheisty it makes windows look good FFS. If the next update adds one more bs “feature” that might be the last push I need lmfao.
The bootloader will be unlockable, what ROMs will be installable is going to depend on the community
Someone said with the SOC it has third party ROM’s will be questionable. I haven’t taken the time to check that out but it would be great to have one device out there that still be tailored to the individual.
Can it run Linux? Because if it runs any fascism-tech from Google it’s a non-starter
If you want to use it as your primary device, you may be locked out of using specific security focused apps such as banking apps.
Mobile banking is probably the only reason I’m still on Android
What are you using right now because every Linux phone I’ve ever seen has been an unfinished working program that isn’t commercially ready.
Isn’t Android Linux? That was the trench defended when I last checked a few years ago.
when people say linux phones, the point is not the kernel but believing it could have the same open ecosystem as the linux PC. no forced lockdown, no spyware, open source and in turn extensible system software, where its not the oligarchs who dictate. other then the first point these can be told about mostly none of the current phones, and even the first point is going away recently, despite that being the only way to get rid of the preinstalled, google mandated (and sometimes additional) malware.
Android uses a modified version of the Linux kernel.
The Spacebar has a built-in fingerprint sensor, which could be handy for unlocking the phone quickly. The keypad is touch-sensitive, which means that you can slide your fingers over it to scroll through messages. And before you ask, yes, it also has a 4.03-inch OLED touchscreen display for those of us who like scrolling on a smoother surface.
Some of you may also be pleased to know that the Clicks Communicator has a 3.5mm headphone jack and that it supports microSD cards for storage expansion. It ships with 256GB storage and you can add a microSD card with up to 2TB of capacity.
The device runs Android 16, supports Qi2 wireless charging, has a USB-C port, and has a 50-MP rear camera with optical image stabilization, alongside a 24-MP front camera. It’s powered by a 4nm MediaTek chip that has 5G support. It’s a dual-SIM phone with one physical SIM slot and an eSIM
It also has NFC for mobile payment support. I’m not seeing many compromises here except perhaps the camera and processor. I’m gonna use this as my next phone.
The Clicks marketing team has been marketing this as a “second device”. I think that’s a miss-step. Very few people want to have two phones. They exist, but it seems like this device should be a completely capable phone on it’s own. It’ll be a niche device either way but I think the “people who want a small phone with physical buttons” niche is larger than the “people who want two phones of of which is small with physical buttons” crowd. And it causes confusion. Some people saw the announcement and didn’t realize it’s a full fledged independent phone…
Maybe they should reach out to the GrapheneOS team and see if there could be a partnership of some type there.
Unfortunately the GrapheneOS team said it doesn’t meet their requirements. Their requirements are suuuuuuper specific which is why it’s only on Pixel devices.
They have said that the bootloader can be unlocked, so some sort of ROM support is possible.
GrapheneOS complete requirements:
- Support for using alternate operating systems including full hardware security functionality
- Complete monthly Android Security Bulletin patches without any regular delays longer than a week for device support code (firmware, drivers and HALs)
- At least 5 years of updates from launch for device support code with phones (Pixels now have 7) and 7 years with tablets
- Device support code updated to new monthly, quarterly and yearly releases of AOSP within several months to provide new security improvements (Pixels receive these in the month they’re released)
- Linux 6.1, 6.6 or 6.12 Generic Kernel Image (GKI) support
- Hardware accelerated virtualization usable by GrapheneOS (ideally pKVM to match Pixels but another usable implementation may be acceptable)
- Hardware memory tagging (ARM MTE or equivalent)
- Hardware-based coarse grained Control Flow Integrity (CFI) for baseline coverage where type-based CFI isn’t used or can’t be deployed (BTI/PAC, CET IBT or equivalent)
- PXN, SMEP or equivalent
- PAN, SMAP or equivalent
- Isolated radios (cellular, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, NFC, etc.), GPU, SSD, media encode / decode, image processor and other components
- Support for A/B updates of both the firmware and OS images with automatic rollback if the initial boot fails one or more times
- Verified boot with rollback protection for firmware
- Verified boot with rollback protection for the OS (Android Verified Boot)
- Verified boot key fingerprint for yellow boot state displayed with a secure hash (non-truncated SHA-256 or better)
- StrongBox keystore provided by secure element
- Hardware key attestation support for the StrongBox keystore
- Attest key support for hardware key attestation to provide pinning support
- Weaver disk encryption key derivation throttling provided by secure element
- Insider attack resistance for updates to the secure element (Owner user authentication required before updates are accepted)
- Inline disk encryption acceleration with wrapped key support
- 64-bit-only device support code
- Wi-Fi anonymity support including MAC address randomization, probe sequence number randomization and no other leaked identifiers
- Support for disabling USB data and also USB as a whole at a hardware level in the USB controller
- Reset attack mitigation for firmware-based boot modes such as fastboot mode zeroing memory left over from the OS and delaying opening up attack surface such as USB functionality until that’s completed
- Debugging features such as JTAG or serial debugging must be inaccessible while the device is locked
I really hope GOS does find an OEM willing to throw the kitchen sink at this.
They already have. They won’t say who it is but it’s in the works.
Yeah, I’ve been following that up closely. Really looking forward to this.
The hardware security measures graphene wants are very expensive. Plus, GOS wants quick android security patche
Even LineageOS would be amazing.
I’m not seeing many compromises here
That’s because it’s really small. And has a weird square shape. It’s the display. And the fact that they’ve only committed to 2 years of updates.
It looks very cool, and it’s cool to see actually interesting phones. But it’s not for me. It’s very strange to me that people would rather a physical keyboard and a tiny display. Guaranteed I can type faster on a virtual keyboard…
They’ve announced 5 years of support.
And it’s small but not really small. Here is a 3d printed mockup next to a Galaxy S25 Ultra
It’s every bit as wide, just shorter.
But I meant compromises that would make it not usable as a phone.
I’m experimenting with the LILYGO T-Deck+ on MeshCore for messaging and thinking about the Mecha Comet for other stuff. I’m really hoping to leave the corporate stuff behind.
Wake me when there’s a slider.
Lengthwise, nokia n900 style, with a smaller screen (actually this is 4", that’s one box ticked, prefer 5" tho), and a bigger battery, and an open OS, and sd card expansion, basically an anti-todays-phone I guess…
I actually stumbled across my Blackberry Torch in storage and gave a great big sigh. I don’t use my phone as a media consumption device as much as many people. I understand I’m in the minority, but its comms first for me.
I had an n900, it was my worst best phone. The software was often arse, the resistive screen was arse, but that keyboard was god tier.
If someone made a modernised version without a bunch of slop I’d buy 2 today just incase they went out of production.
It actually does have an SD card slot. And headphone jack.
It has a headphone jack? They must lack courage.
I miss Blackberry a lot but this ain’t it.
What’s wrong with it?
Probably a purist complaining it’s not the fabled mythical Linux phone.
It literally has every feature of a modern smartphone. And it’s not even that expensive.
If I had a need for a new phone right now I’d be buying this.
It even has some of the design team from Blackberry
I had a Blackberry Curve in like 2012 when everyone was using iphone and android and I loved that damn thing. Other than the Nokia Lumia it was the best phone I ever had.
I would use this.
The BlackBerry Curve was great. I kept using mine until support ended for most of the apps I needed on BlackBerry OS :(
I still keep it as a spare phone and for travel.
Wow, very interesting. But being able to root it is pretty much a must, for me. I wonder if this will give users that freedom.
They have confirmed that you can unlock the bootloader to you’ll be able to root it yes.
Very nice!
Haha haha h haha h haha haha…but also: no. Of course not.
I’d eat one if they offer root options. Or a firmware. Or a major update. Or anything else beside a pricetag and the wish to never hear from you again.
They have confirmed that you can unlock the bootloader, and are claiming 5 years of updates.
They have shipped hardware before and seem like a somewhat reputable company. They haven’t made a phone before though so we shall see.
Aren’t the 5 yrs now mandatory in the EU? And unlocking the BL I can do on most phones. Doesn’t help a lot though unless you do it all yourself. So I’d still wonder if root will be possible. I like to own the devices I buy 😊
Unless you do it all yourself? What more do you need? An unlocked bootloader means custom roms and rooting are possible, right?
possible, yes. But usually noone does those things for these smaller fringe devices that are not mainstream. So, it’s either do it yourself or be happy you unlocked a bootloader to…have an unlocked bootloader :)
I suppose we could all band together and send them email after email asking for it… I suppose…
I’ve been wishing to use an old feature phone for that one’s advertised purpose. This one is more interesting than refurbishing a hopelessly outdated phone because it’s going to actually work.
In any work setting where it is common to have a work phone and a personal phone, this would make an ideal work phone
I have their Clicks Razr keyboard. After typing with a physical keyboard for a few months, tough to go back to typing on glass. The tactile response is much more satisfying
