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Sen. Bernie Sanders also demanded “fundamental reforms” to Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Protection, saying they are “terrorizing” US communities.
US Sen. Bernie Sanders on Wednesday demanded the removal of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller—a key architect of Donald Trump’s violent mass deportation campaign—as well as concrete reforms in exchange for any new funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
In remarks on the Senate floor, Sanders (I-Vt.) called ICE a “domestic military force” that is “terrorizing” communities across the country. The senator pointed specifically to the agency’s ongoing activities in Minnesota and Maine, where officers have committed horrific—and deadly—abuses.
Sanders said that “not another penny should be given” to ICE or Customs and Border Protection (CBP) “unless there are fundamental reforms in how those agencies function—and until there is new leadership at the Department of Homeland Security and among those who run our immigration policy.” The senator has proposed repealing a $75 billion ICE funding boost that the GOP approved last summer, an end to warrantless arrests, the unmasking of ICE and CBP agents, and more.
So the issue is not ICE, but who’s managing ICE.
That’s basically same as saying that the nazis were just following orders.
The issues, Bernie, are both who’s managing ICE and ICE itself. ICE are terrorists, you can’t just say that you will give money to ICE if they remove those two assholes ignoring all the shit each ICE agent has done so far, Bernie.
I think you missed the part where he wants drastic reform within the agency on top of axing the ghouls running it. He’s much more likely to succeed politically with those types of demands than just straight up defunding the entire thing.
Can we stop pretending that compromising with the fascist institutions is the correct political move? Why? Why are people so stuck in the Obama mindset? It was and is a complete failure.
More Americans support abolishing ICE than oppose it!.
Sadly, politics, in this case, is not among the voters; it’s among the senate. It’s a bunch of old fucks who are not going to vote for defunding ICE, no matter what. They may be convinced that temporary defunding is good, and we know the regime isn’t going to compromise, so its as good as any other defunding functionally.
Sure, for the other senators, defunding would be the right move for them politically. Sanders already agrees with us. He’s on the right side of politics for the voters. He just has to play the game the best way he can to get things done, which is not to go with the most extreme position even if that’s the most supported by voters.
SS troops door knocking and asking for papers and liberals are still talking about “playing the game”. I can’t. I can’t take this level of delusion.
We need a massive political movement to fix what the federal government has become. One that at this point is literally hitting the brink of armed conflict. There is no “playing the game”. The game is over. The Republicans know this and the Democrats are the only ones still playing it.
The point of Bernie not compromising on what needs to be done is to SHOW that the political system is a failure. Seriously, are you still thinking ICE will be reformed with Trump as president? What is the point of starting from a compromised position that literally only serves the purpose of creating a zero substance bill that will only serve as another illusion of democracy working?
Seriously. There is nothing Bernie should be doing but calling balls and strikes. He use to do that. Now, he is an old man that is in denial of the institutions he spent his whole life defending falling apart around him. He is “playing the game” when the game is over. And it’s only serving as a means for people like you to think the umpires are still there.
I literally said it wouldn’t. Did you read? I said this is a way to get defunding done, because they won’t allow it to be reformed. If he went with a full defunding then he’d be used as an enemy for the supporters of the regime to gather support and they would definitely pass funding. With this move he may be able to get funding stopped.
If you’re a representative, your best play is to “play the game.” Us though? We don’t have to. We should be pushing for what needs to be done. We’re in different positions than them. You’d be an idiot to think they should just give up all power to make an idiological last stand. Sure, it’d feel great to watch, until the regime gets everything they want and fucks you.
Do you know what’s happening here? This isn’t about creating a new bill. It’s about not passing a bill for increased ICE funding. It’s already passed in the house and he’s trying to prevent it passing in the senate.
I don’t think you are actually aware of what’s being discussed and you’ve read too much from idiots who say if something isn’t exactly what they want to hear then it’s bad. Sadly, in the real world, this isn’t how things work. No one has ever been able to get exactly what they want. Even the most ardent revolutionaries have to compromise to get enough allies, or they just fail and no one hears about them. I guess you’d prefer the latter.
The equivalent of what you are doing here is trying to reduce funding to the concentration camps! There are fucking concentration camps! What are we talking about? The fascist aren’t defeated by a budget. They are fascist. All this serves to do is justify the existence of concentration camps.
Your problem is that you still believe the liberal institutions will turn back fascism. It will not. Please read a history book. Please understand this is exactly what the liberals in Nazi Germany did. They literally compromised with the Nazis for the “promise” of their party not being abolished. Voted on the enabling act. And then were quickly banned as a party. Please, please read a book.
Sanders needs to use his voice while he has it. Not use it to justify the existence of ICE. That is the only outcome of this. He is saying “ice should exist”. That’s it. That’s all this does.
God, you don’t read, do you. How do you intend to abolish ICE in this case. It’s purely about a bill that’s already passed the house. He’s trying to prevent it from passing the senate. Abolition is not an option in this case. That requires a new bill. The only thing that can be done in this case is to stop a funding bill passing or passing it. There’s no third option.
No. My problem is that I want power to be used when we have it. I don’t think we should give up power just to sound strong to idiots on the internet. Sanders taking an idiological stance that the senate doesn’t support sounds cool to internet communists, but it doesn’t actually get anything done except for handing over power to the Fascists.
Your stupid community that insists we get nothing done because it isn’t perfect are annoying as hell. You aren’t as smart as you believe. The leftists who have actually accomplished things did so by working with people they didn’t agree with completely. You take what you can get when you can get it. You don’t throw it away because you want something better.
Sanders doesn’t have the power to abolish ICE (at least, at this moment). He does have the power to maybe have this bill not pass. Even that is unlikely though. It sure as hell won’t happen if he takes the stance you want, and then ICE gets even more funding. Is that what you want?
I’m reading mate. You’re not. I already said the problem is that you still think liberal democracy is functioning. It is not. Pretending that it is is why you can’t understand my perspective.
I want you to just pretend for a moment that you have accepted that there is no democracy at the federal level. It’s done.
Then, think of the perspective I’ve given you. What is our remaining option? State government.
The only meaningful thing Sanders can do is accept that the federal government has been taken over by fascist and use his platform to encourage state governments to take a stand and organize a resistance to the fascist federal government.
He’s not doing that. If he was, people like you would not be fooled into thinking that any legislative actions in the federal government will matter. They don’t. And you’re arguing for why they still do. Do you get that?
Stop explaining the political maneuvering. It makes you look silly. I get what you’re talking about. I just disagree with you on a fundamental level. The legislative branch of the federal government has no power. Sanders should be shouting this and telling state governments to take action to prepare. Instead, he’s pretending it’s still functioning.
You can say that about any organization. If the Nazis had been run by Rosa Luxemberg, they wouldn’t be the Nazis. They’d be a totally different thing.
Even the most left-wing Democrats are still convinced that an organization dedicated to terrorizing migrant workers and extra-judicially deporting Enemies of the State is too popular to dismantle. That’s a bleak prospect for the nation’s future.