French President Emmanuel Macron on Saturday, February 14, urged calm and restraint after the fatal beating of a 23-year-old French youth aligned with the far-right on the sidelines of a conference by a hard-left lawmaker in the southeastern city of Lyon.
The death of the young man – identified only as Quentin – has intensified tensions between France’s far-right and radical left who are both eyeing 2027 presidential elections.
He had been hospitalized in Lyon on Thursday after being attacked while providing what his supporters said was security for a protest against an appearance by hard-left MEP Rima Hassan at the Lyon branch of the Sciences Po university.
It is growing pains. This is the necessary hashing out of common thought among any political movement. There is much upset and confusion right now and people are examining the world through different eyes. People are shedding their pre-existing worldviews. So obviously there will be infighting and bickering, as our thoughts settle and coalesce.
The broad statistical categorization of Dems and Repubs that you give doesn’t express the fact that there are smaller groups within those categories who are disagreeing with each other much the same as leftists do here. A lot of their internal struggle is kept secret, as they already have fully-fledged parties with the resources and structure to herd their members on common lines. So what you’re comparing is open-format discussion online to the outward messaging of fully-realized parties. It’s not an appropriate comparison.
As I understand, there are DSA members who are within that “Democrat” label as well who are using the reach of that party to further spread leftist messages. The statistics you list has no bearing on the fact that “leftist” ideas are spreading more rapidly in the US and people are thirsty for change. The current statistics don’t say anything of the future.
When Ho Chi Minh returned to Vietnam and eventually liberated that country from capitalism, it was just him and a handful of others starting out. Different circumstances of course, but the point is things can change rapidly. Demographic statistics are irrelevant to that.
There is still much work to do. Capitalism will end one day - even if outside our lifetimes. No one now can predict how that will turn out, but it will end just as feudalism did when the conditions of the world changed.
One DSA member for every eight hundred Democrats and republicans says a lot actually.
And years ago, there we people saying the same as you about the political parties that we struggle to remember now. I won’t lose hope, but you’re entitled to your speculation.
Socialism is a hundred year old political theory and that’s all the buy-in it’s gotten in that time.
Three countries off the top of my head are socialist. Actually I can think of a couple more, so yeah we’ve got a pretty good start. You can look into it yourself if you have any questions, I don’t feel you’re here to discuss in good faith. So, have a nice day.
Three out of a hundred and ninety five?
So that’s about 1.5% of the world?
That’s better than the 0.125% of DSA members vs democrats and republicans.
Sorry I’m not in the socialist circle jerk but if you retreat to your echo chamber you can dodge reality for a while longer.
Like I said, as I was typing I thought of more. Three was just the immediate number I thought of.
Yes 3 / 195 is indeed 1.5%. That number adds nothing of essence to determine what percent of the world population is leftist in their politics. Countries do not have consistent landmass or population, and within even socialist countries not all people are left in their political ideology.
Look you’re clearly not a leftist and you’re here to just troll, so why comment on “leftist infighting” at all? I address this in my previous comment but you just ignored it. So again, have a nice day.
I’m a leftist but I’m also a realist so I’m a liberal.
I used to be a lot further left but the more time I spend on this site the more I realize it’s a hopeless political position with the gatekeeping and infighting so the more I become liberal.