The UK is almost as bad as the US afaik. They elected consecutive clowns (Johnson, Truss), did a humungous self-own with Brexit. Do violent crackdowns on student protests and climate change protests. Are sucking up to the US while it shits on them. Are unapologetic zionist supporters. Look what they did to Corbyn over their rabid Zionism.
If it is more historically correct then why not. I despise what Israel is doing to Palestine like any sane person should, but I see nothing wrong in getting historical names right. I would not be pissed if someone were to change Bizantine Empire with Eastern Roman Empire in a museum exhibition. This is not a win for Israel. Zionist are the one forgetting history by committing genocide.
Palestine was literally the name of a Roman province.
Esit: Okay I actually read the article and it does make some sense, given that it was talking about the time before then.
The creation of the kingdom of Israel was 1100 years old when Roman emperor Hadrian renamed the Judaea province into Syria Palaestina. Before that Greek domination, Achaemenid domination, Babylonian domination and Assyrian domination. And before the Israelites, the Canaan, the Ghassulian and many others. The bible describe in details how that land was conquered with violence and genocide by the tribes of Israel. It makes no sense to make historical claim to that land.
The conquest of Canaan narrative is fictional propaganda, not a historical account of what actually happened.
I never meant to imply otherwise. What I am saying is that we are discussing optics on the legitimacy or lack thereof of Israelite and Palestinian people to those land. Or at least we are discussing right to history representation for the Palestinian. And in my opinion there is no interpretation that gives credit to one claim or the other. The whole argument is idiotic. We should let historians focus on recovering the history of those land and keep modern politics outside ancient history museums.
Oh right, I’m on board with that. Using ancient history for modern land claims is ridiculous.
As long as they remove the “Israel” part.
It’s been replaced by the classical names.
So Israel is there because it seems to have been present as a kingdom, but where we might see Palestine now would either be part of Israel, Judah, or the ‘Philistine States’ on the southern end. To my knowledge, ‘Philistine’ is where the name Palestine comes from eventually, but not sure if they actually considered themselves to be a coherent singular kingdom back then.
The museum explained that the term Canaan is now used for the southern Levant during the later second millennium BC, while UN terminology identifies modern boundaries such as Gaza, West Bank, Israel, and Jordan. Curators also plan to use “Palestinian” only as a cultural or ethnographic identifier where historically appropriate
So basically they are rewriting history to say there never was a Palestine to begin with.
Palestine is the Latin term used by the Romans from the greek translation of the Egyptian term used to describe the Philistines. Only the costal area was to be considered “Palestine” before the romans decided to use that term to describe the entire area. To say that the entire area was Palestine is to rewrite history. To create a link between the Philistines and the modern inhabitants of Palestine is also rewriting history.
If I were to call Tuscans the ancient Etruscan people would I not commit the same mistake? The world is full of territories that saw their cultural, religious and ethnic makeup change radically throughout invasions. To identify the correct term to describe a specific period of history is not rewriting history. The Hyksos were not “Palestinian”, and I agree that it just add confusion. If historian have used retroactively the term Palestine to identify the area, I see no issue in revising the terminology to better align with the original context.
I didn’t mean the name of the region itself or the genetic origin of the inhabitants. I meant specifically the inhabitants that have known it as their home over the past 800 years, that are currently being very openly robbed of their home over that period.
If I was alive and had internet during the trail of tears, I’d be saying the same. Same for the IRA, Spanish Inquisition, Armenian genocide, and every act of replacing one culture with another.
I get what you say. The problem is that being inaccurate for protecting Palestinian claim to their land is exactly what give credit to Israel. The kingdom of Israel has a much older claim to that land. Nonetheless this is inconsequential. We do not see Norway claiming northern France, Germany claiming Poland, Poland claiming Russia or Italy claiming France and Croatia. This is just silly. Modern Israel has no more claim to that land than Germany claim to north Italy of Celtic heritage.
Israel was a person’s name. The modern nation state is not.
Israel was an iron age kingdom. The person Israel is a personification used by the bible to describe the origins of said kingdom. Israel then became a name.
They don’t care, they’d rewrite history if they could to have existed since the dawn of civilization
Even if they do not care, should historians care with giving correct information to museums visitors?
That’s the norm isn’t it? We wouldn’t say “England” when talking about Roman era Britain. We generally use the term Briton to avoid confusion with people that came to the British Isles in later centuries.
What. The actual. Fuck.
Insert the turning the calendar to 1984 meme, but unironically
