The Tennessee House of Representatives passed a controversial bill Thursday that would allow private citizens and organizations to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages without facing punishment.
It does not have to be separate. No legally recognize marriage for anyone. You want marriage, go to a priest. No reason for gov to stick their nose in.
FWIW, I support abolition of marriage. It’s weird that relationships are enshrined in law anyway, as many people do not fit into those right definitions. Whether it is because they do not wish to have a marriage/romantic relationships or otherwise have them be legally bound, or because they are poly and have more partners, and asking people to choose isn’t great
In my head I guess marriage just feels archaic. Sure, it still got a similar purpose to how it was historically, but I question whether it’s actually a good thing to keep
How would you protect the rights that go with marriage if you abolish marriage? Those include the right to visit your spouse in the hospital, right to attend spouse’s funeral, right to name spouse for inheritance purposes with legal weight, right to live in the housing you shared with your spouse after your spouse dies, right for your spouse to make medical decisions should you be unable to make those decisions, and others that I may be overlooking.
Your recognized “union” provides all of rights and goes to any level of detail you wish. For example, imagine a union, will, POA, all wrapped up into one.
The laws for POA would have to change to allow for such a union. There would have to be some kind of protection for wills as well, because there are going to be fights from people against the LGBTQ community.
If all marriages were dissolved and became unions, that might work. Otherwise, it would be a separate but equal thing.
You can do paperwork for these things. Marriage is convenient though. We need laws that just say “yeah I trust my friend/relative to decide for me” like a non marriage
Paperwork didn’t help the partners of AIDS victims who were kept out of the hospital and heard of their partner’s passing via the obituaries and then kicked out of their house.
Even today, there are families who would separate sane sex partners and do the same awful things. Marriage guarantees rights, paperwork does nothing to stop the horrible people in our lives that would lash out at the first chance.
Please explain to me how exactly could I “do paperwork” to restore, for example the spousal communications privilege and the spousal testimonial privilege that would both be taken away from me if my marriage was dissolved.
Man, fuck your strawmans and fuck you. I support gay marriage. Try spinning that however will boost your moral superiority, but I’m not engaging with your bad faith bullshit.
The part where a contract between two parties (spouses) has any power over anyone else who didn’t sign the contract, like hospitals for visitation for example.
It does not have to be separate. No legally recognize marriage for anyone. You want marriage, go to a priest. No reason for gov to stick their nose in.
FWIW, I support abolition of marriage. It’s weird that relationships are enshrined in law anyway, as many people do not fit into those right definitions. Whether it is because they do not wish to have a marriage/romantic relationships or otherwise have them be legally bound, or because they are poly and have more partners, and asking people to choose isn’t great
In my head I guess marriage just feels archaic. Sure, it still got a similar purpose to how it was historically, but I question whether it’s actually a good thing to keep
How would you protect the rights that go with marriage if you abolish marriage? Those include the right to visit your spouse in the hospital, right to attend spouse’s funeral, right to name spouse for inheritance purposes with legal weight, right to live in the housing you shared with your spouse after your spouse dies, right for your spouse to make medical decisions should you be unable to make those decisions, and others that I may be overlooking.
Your recognized “union” provides all of rights and goes to any level of detail you wish. For example, imagine a union, will, POA, all wrapped up into one.
The laws for POA would have to change to allow for such a union. There would have to be some kind of protection for wills as well, because there are going to be fights from people against the LGBTQ community.
If all marriages were dissolved and became unions, that might work. Otherwise, it would be a separate but equal thing.
You can do paperwork for these things. Marriage is convenient though. We need laws that just say “yeah I trust my friend/relative to decide for me” like a non marriage
Paperwork didn’t help the partners of AIDS victims who were kept out of the hospital and heard of their partner’s passing via the obituaries and then kicked out of their house.
Even today, there are families who would separate sane sex partners and do the same awful things. Marriage guarantees rights, paperwork does nothing to stop the horrible people in our lives that would lash out at the first chance.
If there “unions” and not “marriages” it wouldn’t have been issue.
Please explain to me how exactly could I “do paperwork” to restore, for example the spousal communications privilege and the spousal testimonial privilege that would both be taken away from me if my marriage was dissolved.
I get your point. I’m saying these should extend past marriages.
Why take my marriage of 12 years away then?
Man, fuck your strawmans and fuck you. I support gay marriage. Try spinning that however will boost your moral superiority, but I’m not engaging with your bad faith bullshit.
You enter into a contractual union that is recognized by the federal government.
That’s not how contracts work
Which part? The entities entering into a contract or the judicial branch honoring contracts?
The part where a contract between two parties (spouses) has any power over anyone else who didn’t sign the contract, like hospitals for visitation for example.
I think you made my point better than me.