Progressives acknowledging the fact of genocide is a good first step, and it’s useful that Ocasio-Cortez and others have done so — “I think [unconditional aid to Israel] enabled a genocide in Gaza,” she said in Munich — but it is not in and of itself sufficient. Before anyone in the party can move on to selling a post-Biden vision of human-rights-first foreign policy, they must address what accountability for the war criminals in the Biden administration — those who aided, armed, and funded genocide — should look like.
My default vote is blue, but if any candidate is cravenly mealy-mouthed about this genocide, they won’t get my vote. Biden and the lot of Israel apologists and genocide enablers deserve the same punishment we gave Nazi officers in Nuremberg, as far as I’m concerned. Anything less is basically admitting that you think Muslim lives are of less value than Jewish lives. Genocide is genocide.
So you’re saying if the Democrat party doesn’t achieve the level of purity you desire, then you’re fine allowing a party demonstrably worse (in every conceivable way) to maintain control of our lives and our futures?
Pardon me, but that sounds unbelievably stupid.
What other populations are you willing to sacrifice? Why stop at “just” Palestinians? Should I also make allowances for transphobia and homophobia? What if they promise to just keep helping me as a white man, but decide we can sacrifice other minority communities on the altar of liberalism? No. Either equality for all, or for none.
So your answer is to do nothing to prevent the party that’s embracing transphobia, homophobia, and xenophobia from taking power? You should try thinking a little harder about the consequences of your actions next time.
There’s more to do to prevent the rise of fascism than vote. The democrats aren’t going to save you.
And how does accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being pro-genocide seem to be working out?
Democrats aren’t perfect but they’re a whole fucking lot better than republicans.
I mean democrats voted to give weapons to Israel knowing full well they were using those weapons to carry out a genocide. That’s by definition pro-genocide behavior. They’re a group of people who were happy to enable the mass murder of innocent people including children because that’s what their donors wanted.
Vote for them is you must but you can’t rely on people like that to defend you from fascists. They’ll sell you out the second your life becomes an inconvenience to their wealthy backers. Those backers also happen to be the the same people busy funding Trump’s fascist project. You have to do more than vote to protect yourself and the people you care about.
“Homophobia and transphobia” huh. You might as well compare mass genocide of innocents to school voucher issues or HOA regulations. They arent just not in the same ballpark, they are on different planets.
Clearly the policies of the Trump administration haven’t affected you or someone you love personally yet. They will.
You would vote for David Duke as long as he ran as a Democrat.
Nope.
But blue no matter who buddy. Don’t want David Duke? Should have fought harder against him in the primary.
They’ve affected me personally and those I love. I fear for my immigrant family every day. I fear for the minority communities both in and outside my circle. Which communities are you personally ok with sacrificing though in order to guarantee “our side” wins? Just Palestinians or others too?
You didn’t save any Palestinians by letting Trump win.
Do you agree that the Biden administration directly enabled and armed a genocide of Palestinians in Gaza? Is genocide a secondary issue to you? Would a vote for a Zionist not be a vote directly in support of genocide?
Congratulations on enabling everything Trump is doing now while doing nothing to help Gaza.
congratulations yourself. The only possible scenario in the last election in which a genocide wouldnt happen is if enough voters had pressured Harris and Biden not to try to run again while supporting genocide from the left. Your fallacy is in thinking a Harris/Biden supported genocide would be kinder than a trump one. We have the data on that-- Biden facilitated the majority of the genocide kills so far. There were some lies about him pushing back, that Israel itself said was pure posturing that never actually happened. You pretend Harris wouldnt allow Israel to do whatever it wanted, to whomever they wanted to do it to. Its just pure BS you are spinning.
How many and which communities should I be willing to sacrifice? Please list out the ones that I, as a white man, should be comfortable sacrificing so that a fake Democrat can win? I’ve now seen that I should be ok sacrificing Palestinians, but who else? I know that transphobia and xenophobia are still rampant in this country. Should I be ok with a Democratic candidate who wants to not allow equal protections for non-binary people? Should I be ok with a Democratic candidate who wants to deport economic asylum seekers? Should I vote for a Democratic candidate who wants to co tibie warrantless surveillance of Americans here at home? You insinuate that I’m asking for purity, but I see these issues as the bare minimum.
You wouldn’t have been sacrificing Palestinians by voting for Democrats, because the genocide was going to continue regardless of who won, as we have seen. What you did do was sacrifice all those other groups you mentioned. Just today, Kentucky passed a law, effective immediately, invalidating all trans people’s driver’s licenses.
So, to turn your rhetoric back on you, how many marginalized groups are you willing to sacrifice to make a symbolic point that serves only to boost your own self image and benefits none of the people you claim to be championing?
If genocide is real, then it can’t be treated as a secondary issue. Harm reduction has limits. There has to be a point where support for mass civilian killing disqualifies a candidate, no matter what else is on the platform. For me, that’s the line.
How about instead of being mad at people that they won’t for your war criminal over another war criminal, you just stop nominating war criminals as your candidates?
It’s wild to me that people don’t seem to understand that anyone who supports genocide out of political convenience will immediately sell their constituents out to fascists the moment it benefits them. It’s like they can’t conceive of how horrible of a crime genocide actually is. Choosing between two supporters of genocide is no choice at all.