Progressives acknowledging the fact of genocide is a good first step, and it’s useful that Ocasio-Cortez and others have done so — “I think [unconditional aid to Israel] enabled a genocide in Gaza,” she said in Munich — but it is not in and of itself sufficient. Before anyone in the party can move on to selling a post-Biden vision of human-rights-first foreign policy, they must address what accountability for the war criminals in the Biden administration — those who aided, armed, and funded genocide — should look like.
Voting for the Democrat in the general election helps the Republican win. Got it.
I’m fully convinced that the people who promote that sort of rhetoric are either astroturfers trying to convince people to waste their vote, or just don’t understand how the voting process works in the US.
SatansMaggotyCumFart has the right of it: Push progressive candidates in the primary, but don’t let perfect be the enemy of good in the general. If you vote third party in the general because the neither of the two viable candidates perfectly aligns with your desires, it’s every bit as bad as a centrist deciding to vote for the GOP candidate. Vote for whichever of those candidates is better.
You have a fantastical view of voter behavior not based in reality.
sure. on topics that are largely just bullet points and trading cards to collect.
but some topics are themselves so important the choice around them outranks all other topics. genocide being one of them. no?
If the Republicans were better than Democrats on the issue, this would make sense.
This is the crux. It’s not about voting for genocide or not genocide; it’s about voting for genocide, or genocide with a side of fascism. There’s a clearly better choice. If you’re a left-leaning person and you choose to vote third party instead of voting for the less- or non-fascist candidate, you’re not only wasting your vote, but you’re directly contributing to things like we’re experiencing right now. If you think Harris would have been worse for the country, or for Gaza, than Trump is, I think you’re delusional.
Accepting supporters of genocide in any way is the kind of Faustian bargain that guarantees fascism’s rise. You have to understand almost all voters are not applying the game theory you’re holding so tightly to. You can’t convince the mass of voters to do that either. Instead, most people understand that someone who claims to have empathy but simultaneously supports genocide is an untrustworthy snake. That’s enough to kill any sort of enthusiasm the democratic base might have had for any particular candidate. You don’t win that enthusiasm back by saying that a snake is better than a shark. The only real way for democrats to win then if for them to renounce their support for genocide. As the only real opposition to Trump their responsible for the consequences if they choose not to.
why would one vote for genocide at all? because you’re scared of fascism?
note: fascism is here on the dem and rep sides both. dem are just better at hiding it
i’d rather vote for anyone other than rep or dem at this point.
Found the single issue voter that helped put Trump in the Oval Office.
I’d be open about what I think of single issue voters, but that could net me a ban even on Lemmy.
found the pro genocide “just ignore the genocide of brown folks because i care about me more” voter.
You really think your non-vote that enabled Trump, ICE, doge, RFKJr, etc really made the world a better place?
how did it enable anything when the number of 3rd party voters plus harris voters would still not have beaten trump?
try again genocide supporter.
The candidate has a policy which will cause them to lose the election. If you vote or don’t vote is utterly irrelevant, because the electorate won’t vote for them, so long as they maintain that policy.
Many members of Congress you consider insufficiency anti-genocide were elected in 2024. Most of them, in fact. Even our current president won on a pro-genocide platform, along with all the other stuff he’s doing now that still isn’t enough for you to admit that the lesser of two evils is worth voting for. I’m glad the Rupublicans’ policies haven’t touched you or your loved ones personally yet, but consider that they may in the future.
Yes we know, the democratic party is in favor of genocide and they are the only viable opposition to republicans who are also in favor of genocide. The difference is the democrat party’s base of support is generally not in favor of genocide while republican voters are. If democrats choose to lose the support of their base then they will have a hard time winning back the house, senate, or presidency. It’s that simple. All the blame for Trump’s win lies with the party and nobody else.