Before Democrats can articulate a more humane foreign policy, they need to reckon with the mortal sin of the genocide in Gaza.

Progressives acknowledging the fact of genocide is a good first step, and it’s useful that Ocasio-Cortez and others have done so — “I think [unconditional aid to Israel] enabled a genocide in Gaza,” she said in Munich — but it is not in and of itself sufficient. Before anyone in the party can move on to selling a post-Biden vision of human-rights-first foreign policy, they must address what accountability for the war criminals in the Biden administration — those who aided, armed, and funded genocide — should look like.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 day ago

    but sloppy sloganeering

    …

    It’s weird I have to keep saying this in 2026:

    People complaining that the Dem candidate doesn’t reflect the policy positions of Dem voters isn’t the problem, and even if they all shut up, it wouldn’t solve anything.

    The problem is forcing candidates dem voters don’t want, rather than fair primaries.

    We’ll have a fair primary in 2028, so there won’t be a problem.

    If you truly think people talking about the candidate is worse, look at 2008 and Hillary’s campaign team literally and loudly advocating for Kerry over Obama.

    People United Means Action" (or PUMA) was a political action committee in the United States that opposed the Democratic Party leadership and the nomination of Senator Barack Obama as the Democratic candidate for president in the 2008 presidential election.[1] PUMA began as an effort by supporters of Obama’s primary rival, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, who believed that Clinton should have been the Democratic nominee.[2][3] According to PUMA, “We [were] protesting the 2008 Presidential election because we refuse to support a nominee who was selected by the leadership rather than elected by the voters.”[4] The organization was founded and led by Darragh Murphy.

    On May 11, 2011, the PUMA PAC was stripped of its status as a recognized political action committee for failure to meet reporting requirements.[5]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_United_Means_Action

    That didn’t stop Obama from flipping a shit ton of red states, because Dem voters supporting a platform means more than people saying they don’t like the platform.

    Did you ever notice how criticizing the candidate is only a problem when it’s an uncharismatic candidate no one likes with a shitty platform?

    • GreenBeard@lemmy.caEnglish
      22·
      1 day ago

      Um… what does any of that have to do with the subject of the post though? The OP stated:

      […] they must address what accountability for the war criminals in the Biden administration — those who aided, armed, and funded genocide — should look like.

      I said I don’t know that “War Criminals” is the right way to frame what they did. I do not disagree with your point that:

      Not holding “our own” accountable just depresses turnout and let’s maga win

      It’s a valid point, but I didn’t suggest not holding them accountable, I suggested being precise in how we frame what they did wrong. We devalue the term “War Crime” if we use it too loosely.

      If you truly think people talking about the candidate is worse […]

      Dude, what are you even talking about? We’re talking about the (prospective) candidates. That’s what this whole conversation has been about. My point was about how to frame the way we talk about it. I never suggested they shouldn’t be thoroughly vetted by the voter and people shouldn’t be held accountable for their bad decisions. Who are you arguing with? Because it doesn’t sound like anything I said.