Progressives acknowledging the fact of genocide is a good first step, and it’s useful that Ocasio-Cortez and others have done so — “I think [unconditional aid to Israel] enabled a genocide in Gaza,” she said in Munich — but it is not in and of itself sufficient. Before anyone in the party can move on to selling a post-Biden vision of human-rights-first foreign policy, they must address what accountability for the war criminals in the Biden administration — those who aided, armed, and funded genocide — should look like.

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    You have a distorted view of the average Democrat. Can I ask where you get your news?

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      You have a distorted view of the average Democrat.

      Who has the distorted view of the average Democrat? The one who is advocating for a strategy that (in both foresight and hindsight) would have won the election, or the the one advocating for the strategy that objectively lost the election?

      I would argue that the campaign had a distorted view the average Democratic voter. They lost 7.7% of their own voters from 2020 into 2024.

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        They support kids in cages. They want better training and body cams for ICE. They have no real issue with Trumps foreign or domestic policies, and are mostly just annoyed that Trump isn’t going through the appropriate permission structures to enact them.

        Where did you learn this?

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          Biden still allowed for family separation during deportations alongside the whole remain in Mexico thing for asylum seekers. Democrats also consistently voted in favor of giving more money to DHS. Foreign policy didn’t change much under Biden. He continued the trade war against China, Trump’s designation of Cuba as a state sponsor of terror, and unlimited support for Israel’s genocide. He also decided to keep Space Force and maintained a lack of transparency around drone strikes that Trump initiated. That’s not the end of it either. There’s a litany of other disgusting Trump policies Biden’s administration also decided to embrace.

          A lot of what I listed is pretty easy to verify. It’s also not unique. Obama oversaw the expansion of the surveillance state that started under Bush. Clinton continued rolling back welfare programs just as Bush and Reagan had. This is just what politicians do. They pretend to be opposed to everything their opponents do and then when they get into office they just put a fresh coat of paint on some deeply inhuman policies.

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          I learned it by not living in an ahistorical vacuum. If you don’t know the context of those points, you are simply illiterate with regards to recent history.

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            I won’t speculate on your motivations like you do with Democrats. I’ll just say that those statements are clearly not true, and if you were secretly supporting the MAGA movement, you couldn’t be doing it any better than you are now.

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              You are completely asinine. Its established at this point that the only thing Harris could have done to win the election was to shift her stance on Gaza. You want to provide an excuse to Harris that actually the voters just needed to suck it up and vote for the pro-genocide candidate. the one person who could have made a different choice such that we get a different outcome.

              You being media illiterate doesn’t change that. You being electorally illiterate doesn’t change that. If you provided this same excuse for either the Biden or Harris campaign from 2023-2024: you contributed to Trumps victory.