Here’s the process as I understand it (please correct my errors):

  1. USA likes Israel, a lot for some reason
  2. “Israel” attacks Iran. This whole thing is being done with the USA’s airplanes though.
  • Why does the USA love Israel so much?
  • What’s the logic here? Not just the conspiracy. But why now? Why at all? Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing? Destabilization the main goal? What’s the USA gaining here?
  • FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website
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    7 小时前

    Broad strokes explanations:

    1. USA likes Israel, a lot for some reason

    The US like many other countries support the existence of the Jewish state. That’s a direct result of the Shoah. And then it got more complicated real fast. Wars, annexing the west bank, aggressive settlement and displacing the people who have lived there for ages, the Gaza wars, etc. - it makes it impossible to support it all.

    1. “Israel” attacks Iran. This whole thing is being done with the USA’s airplanes though.

    No quotation marks necessary; this is a joint operation from everything I’ve read. The US has the biggest and most well equipped military force on this planet and does a lot of the heavy lifting.

    Israel has a lot to fear from Iran. Iran has been a dick and has strong missile capabilities that they do not hesitate to launch at Israel, possibly overpowering their air defenses. Iran has funded and equipped lots of militias fighting Israel, like Hezbollah in Gaza.

    Upon the mullah revolution, Iranians stormed the US embassy in Teheran, killed people and held another bunch hostage. The US became the #1 enemy of the Iranian regime. Between Israel and the US there is no love lost for the Iranian regime.

    • What’s the logic here? Not just the conspiracy.

    There is continued unrest in the country; the majority of the Iranian people are fed up with their government. The timing is right in so many ways. A weakened Iran, leaders who dgaf about international law, the need for the US and Israeli leaders to score a win. Also, elections held while at war have a tendency to cement the incumbents in power.

    But why now?

    Israel’s Netanyahu is under pressure for corruption and the war in Gaza. 47 is under pressure with failing approval ratings, Epstein, etc. A successful military operation can help both leaders improve their image for upcoming elections.

    Why at all? Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing? Destabilization the main goal? What’s the USA gaining here?

    The world will be better without an Islamist authoritarian government in Iran. Israel and the US have already destroyed Iran’s nuclear weapons ambitions last year. The regime is on the ropes with unrest in the country. Israel is getting more secure if the mullahs fall. Unless you are a lover of Islamist fundamentalism or a stern believer in international law, there is nobody who is rooting for these bastards to stay in power.

    Iran is also an enemy of the Saudis, another close ally of the US. The calculus would be that a newly liberal Iran, maybe even democratized, would be a stabilizing factor in that region.

    The biggest problem is that since Germany in 1945 no regime change has worked.

    Broad strokes, all of this. The whole truth is more verbose and nuanced.

    • Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Unless you are a lover of Islamist fundamentalism or a stern believer in international law, there is nobody who is rooting for these bastards to stay in power.

      I’m fine with them staying in power, yes if the alternative is a liberal western democracy then it’d be great if they were overthrown, but that’s not realistic. If you look at the real alternatives by looking at the region the current regime isn’t that bad, there are elections and women can vote, compare that to the Gulf monarchies or the other dictatorships and theocracies in the region.

      The most likely outcome if this regime falls isn’t a democracy, it’s a decades long civil war that probably ends with another form of Islamic dictatorship just like in Syria. This is what the US and Israel want, because both of them recognize that hate for them and desire for a nuclear bomb to protect themselves from them is broad enough that it will survive a regime change so the best option is to turn all Irans energy inward into fighting amongst themselves. This is also the worst possible outcome for the Iranian people.