Actually God only demands a monetary fine if you cause a miscarriage in someone who didn’t want one (Exodus 21), and requires that you drink a potion that will give you a miscarriage if you got pregnant by someone who isn’t your husband (Numbers 5). If only those Republicans could read their own Bible, they would be very upset.
That it is a monetary fine is really crucial as one of two ways of establishing that the Mosaic law that Christians leverage for their legalism does not consider an unborn fetus a person.
First, as noted, the fine for a miscarriage is monetary only if no harm comes to the woman. If the woman is hurt, the Mosaic concept of reciprocal justice (eye for eye, etc), which was likely borrowed from the code of Hammurabi, kicks in. The death of an unborn fetus has no reciprocal punishment because that form of justice applies to people.
The second way of establishing that an unborn fetus is not considered a person in the hebrew bible is right in the second version of the creation story in Genesis 2:7
then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being (emphasis mine)
So here first, and in various other places in the bible (and in the broader Greco-Roman culture in which the nascent Christianity would later form), life began at first breath.
God says mandatory abortions apparently, hooo boy, Wes Groggins is sure gonna feel like a dope when he hears!
(hope it’s clear I’m saying that guy is dumb, not your comment - and yes I’d rather type unnecessary words, than give in to
/s, one of many altitude-less hills I will nonetheless die fruitlessly upon)Please be aware that those are common misrepresentations of those texts popularised by the NIV translation.
Many translations show Exodus 21 demands life for life and a fine if the child survives but suffers injury. The NIV is one of several exceptions (although probably the most popular one) that instead translates it as a fine for a miscarriage (the original NASB also said this, but the 1995 revision corrected it).
Numbers 5 is a religious test and requires God to enact punishment. The “potion” has no abortifacient components and commentaries suggest that the punishment was infertility. The NIV is again an exception here suggesting miscarriage when most other translations (eg. NKJV, NASB, RSV, ESV, Amplified, Young’s Literal, etc.) do not.
By all means call out their misuse of the Bible or their lack of consistency with it, but please be careful making claims like this – it just undermines credibility.
How much murder is it to bomb school kids in another country? We should seek the death penalty at the highest decision making levels for that.
God demands equal justice!
If they are already out of the womb AND not white? Then it’s legitimate defense because they are terrorists.
Hmm? That’s not “murder”, murder is obviously not allowed? That’s “defense”. Their Jesus talked a lot about how important that was, just a minute lemme go find it…
Lmao wtf, like 80+% of Christianity as a thing in the first place is JUST the way Jesus (and, in the telling and by extension - the entire New Testament…?! Hello?) supplants the barbaric nature of the Old.
Whole new covenant, and all? I mean I’m just a godless heathen, guess I oughta take my cues from…checks notes…ahem some horrible prick named Wes Groggins, who sure doesn’t sound like a fictional character named to suggest the role “heinous troll”.
Cool Christians, cool stuff y’all got going on. Jesus would be all over this 🙄
Everything that happens makes a whole lot more sense if you view Trump as the anti-Christ, and his following is the false prophets that I believe the Bible specifically warns about. (but to be fair I’ve mostly read condensed summaries on this)
“Pro-life” has never been about protecting life. It was always a means to control women.
I just call it anti-choice.
I call it “forced birth”.
I hate this place.
Your God sure commits a lot of abortions for a pro-life guy. Maybe take that up with him first?
Yeah, isn’t it something like one in four pregnancies actually makes it to term, naturally?
Two in three is more accurate, but that are still millions
Ah, yes, I remember this part of the Bible. If I remember correctly, the Romans laughed when Jesus promised revenge. And then He jumped off the cross and killed every single person at Golgotha without mercy. And then He marched on Rome and decapitated Emperor Tiberius with His own hands for attempting to stop Jesus. They don’t call Him “Vengeful Christ” for nothing.
It stands to reason, then, that the Republicans must exact revenge, as Jesus would’ve done.
I’m more enamoured by the last stand when Jesus was arrested.
When the Romans came to arrest Jesus with Malhcus, the high servant of the Jewish High Priest.
Peter drew his sword in defence of Jesus and severs Malhcus ear.
On seeing this Jesus responded 'The cup my father has given me is empty shall we fill it?"
He then put his hand on Malhcus and said “Suffer ye thus” and snapped Malhcus’s neck with a sickening crack.
If you live in Missouri and have a daughter, you don’t love your daughter if you don’t leave Missouri.
To be fair, one of the key ways the American South functions - has always functioned - is by trapping people into remaining there.
The systems (not just formal ones, informal ones are more impactful especially in the South) - have only “improved” to superficial degrees since chattel slavery, and are now granted roughly full permission to finally regress and remove the mask.
The rest of the country wonders “what the fuck is up with the misery, almost chosen to be self-sustaining, in the South? Why would anyone thoughtful stay there, why does it stay so bad, too, why don’t they make fixes?”.
It’s always the systems in place that answer those discordant-seeming human choices, the contradictions.
The American South functions - and always has - by the systematic trapping and exploitation of its populace, to a degree always devastatingly more ugly than mere “modern capitalism”.
So. A little grace, due, for those who can’t just exit. They’re working against ~everything. Personal details I can’t relate here, but it’s unimportant. The trap is, has always, been evident.
Psychopathic death cultists.
Missouri
