This is a genuine question, because one of the reasons I left Christianity (I was raised Christian) was that I didn’t like how they hate gay people, are pro-life, etc., and overall are pretty hypocritical. But as I got older, I realized there are Catholics who are pro-choice, aren’t homophobic, and don’t have an issue with having sex before marriage, etc., and basically are not stereotypical religious people at all. But I have to ask—how do they justify this? I mean, it must be very confusing, because if the Bible does say being gay is a sin and you are not homophobic and are pro-LGBTQ+, then you are basically saying sinning is okay, which goes against their very religion. How about Catholics who swear? Basically, how do liberal Christians/Catholics justify their religion? Why be religious if you aren’t going to go all in?

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    The Bible starts to fall apart very quickly if you interpret everything as universal and literal. Generally, people trying to understand the Bible will view it as a collection of historical documents, written by different people, to different people, at different times. For example, its pretty much universally understood that rules against eating pork were specifically for Jews, and possibly even for that time period only. In terms of the “pro-life” stuff, the Bible doesn’t really even say anything about it apart from a song that references conception poetically, although it does notably include instructions on how to perform an abortion so… and for the homophobia, its much more intensely debated because of both the historical context, and the wishy-washy language within the Bible itself.

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      I’d absolutely love if someone would explain to me what a ‘Jew’ even is. Is it a bloodline, or is it a religion? Is it both, is it neither but something else?

      I was told I’m Jewish because I was circumcised, but I don’t fucking even know. My grandparents were Mormon, so like what the fuck, why should I believe in anything?

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        Its a bloodline, or a religion, or an ethnicity, depending on the context. In the case of the person telling you that you’re Jewish, they likely were thinking of the religion, but clearly had absolutely no idea what they were talking about.

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        The word “Jew” is actually something that was made up in the 12th century. The correct term, as found in the Wycliffe Bible, is “Judean” or “Judahite”. Us Khazars made this up as a wizard’s spell, and it doesn’t mean anything anymore. Khazars are, indeed, so-called Jews by religion, not blood. We are Turkic mongrels (mutts) who roam because our behavior got us kicked out of about 111 countries or so (2 recently within the past 2 years I think).

        The Judaism most people refer to is actually Babylonian Talmudism, in which believes there will be a third temple (of which is impossible), and on top of that

        To your point that you’re Jewish by religion because you were circumcised is actually barbaric. No longer is it a requirement from my understanding, but from the heart side (circumcision of the heart) instead. Physical circumcision is actually unnecessary, and even one rabbi admitted that it was for sexual control.

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      The Scriptures are literal and symbolic at the same time, considering that it’s how it was interpreted historically.

      As far as “pro-life” is concerned, the Scriptures’ silence on this matter is because, from what I understand, you never sacrificed your children to strange gods. Abortion is, to most (including myself), a form of ritualistic human sacrifice nowadays, which is why most people are pro-life.

      The prohibitions against pork and other unclean meats are still in effect to this very day. Only if a commandment required a Levitical priesthood (this was since replaced with Melchizedek) and/or a temple (which won’t be built a third time), we don’t have to do it anymore. This was since 31 A.D., in fact.

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          What Messiah Yeshua’s talking about isn’t meat. Instead, it has to do with eating with those who don’t practice what you practice. This comes straight from the NIV disinterpretation (of which is intentional), saying all meats are clean. This isn’t true once you look at the Hebraic (notice I didn’t say “Jewish”) understanding of it.

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            When you say intentional, do you mean it’s interpreted that way as part of an agenda? Why would someone do this? Other versions of the verse make similar purity claims as well. From the surrounding verses, it sounds to me like Jesus is saying what you eat does not matter in the context of morals/sin rather than it being symbolic of people with different practices.

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              It was interpreted in such a way to allow anyone to eat meat that isn’t food according to Leviticus, and the “Food Chapter” as it’s called. It was a way to basically disregard that commandment (one of eighty and three) entirely. And yes, it was intentional.

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        Question, what are ‘unclean meats’ in the modern day of cooking?

        Yes, I’ve seen videos of improperly prepared meats, they come in all forms, including Captain Brainworm eating half raw bear meat…

        But now in modern times, we know how to fully and properly cook meat to avoid such parasites and other issues. So, what’s the issue of updating the rules to reflect modern knowledge and cooking technology?

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          These are the meats that aren’t considered food in the Scriptures:

          Land (Does not chew the cud or fully part the hoof, must have both to be clean):

          Armadillo - Badger - Bear - Beaver - Boar - Camel - Cat - Cheetah - Coyote - Dog - Donkey - Elephant - Fox - Gorilla - Groundhog - Hare - Hippopotamus - Horse - Hyena

          Jackal - Kangaroo - Leopard - Lion - Llama (alpaca, vicuña) - Mole - Monkey - Mouse - Mule - Muskrat - Onager - Opossum - Panther - Peccary - Pig (hog, bacon, ham, lard, pork) - Porcupine

          Rabbit - Raccoon - Rat - Rhinoceros - Skunk - Slug - Snail (escargot) - Squirrel - Tiger - Wallaby - Weasel - Wolf - Wolverine - Worm - Zebra

          Birds:

          Albatross - Bat - Bittern - Buzzard - Condor - Coot - Cormorant - Crane - Crow - Cuckoo - Eagle - Flamingo - Grebe - Grosbeak - Gull - Hawk - Heron - Kite - Lapwing - Loon - Magpie

          Osprey - Ostrich - Owl - Parrot - Pelican - Penguin - Plover - Rail - Raven - Roadrunner- Sandpiper - Seagull - Stork - Swallow - Swift - Vulture - Water Hen - Woodpecker

          Insects:

          All except some in the locust family

          Reptiles and Amphibians:

          Alligator - Blindworm - Caiman - Crocodile - Frogs - Lizard - Newts - Salamanders - Snakes - Toads - Turtles

          Fish and Marine Animals (No fins or scales, must have both to be clean):

          Abalone - Bullhead - Catfish - Clam - Crab - Crayfish - Cuttlefish - Dolphin - Eel - European Turbot - Jellyfish - Limpet - Lobsters - Marlin - Mussels

          Octopus - Otter - Oysters - Paddlefish - Porpoise - Prawn - Scallop - Seal - Shark - Shrimp - Squid (calamari) - Stickleback - Sturgeon - Swordfish - Walrus - Whale

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              I need to reformat the list a bit, but I just did a quick search on it, and this was exactly what came up.

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                What you’ve already posted is perfectly cromulent, but if you feel you should reformat and update the list, well if I may ask, please let me know tomorrow. I do actually like to learn…