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You do realise that “not being afraid of the police” is actually the norm in most developed democracies, right?
The state of the US police force is not some kind of act of God that nothing can be done about. You’re just all too goddamned lazy and selfish to fix it (see also: healthcare, education, school shootings, …)
Checking in from Norway. Can confirm that neither myself nor anyone I know has ever expressed that they’re afraid of the police, or that they have reason to be. People I know include a fair number of people with minority backgrounds, criminal records, or both, so this isn’t a statistic that comes from never interacting with the cops.
Sure, cops here can make mistakes, and sure, there are probably some people that shouldn’t be cops who are. However, by and large, it typically becomes a national media case if someone is injured by the police. Excessive use of force seems to be very uncommon, and in the few cases I’m aware of where it’s happened, the cops involved have been charged and sentenced for it.
It may seem alien to you, but when you build a well educated police force from people that actually want to help their communities, what you get is a police force that most people feel they can trust. When you follow up with clear corrections when some cop does something wrong, you end up with a system that most people feel they can trust.
Relevant link: The average Norwegian rates their trust for the police at about 7.5 / 10, which is the highest of any public institutions here (slightly above courts at 7/10, and a bit ahead of the parlament at about 6.7 / 10).
There’s plenty of people in Norway who are afraid of the police, especially minorities. We got discrimination going on just like everywhere else, it just doesn’t reach the national news most of the time. The officer who killed Eugene Ejike Obiora not only got away scot-free, he’s now the chief of operations for the local police force and is still harassing our minorities.
I didn’t mean to imply that no problems exist, they definitely do. My point was regarding the original comment that “not being afraid of the police is the norm in most developed democracies”. Despite some exceptions, I would definitely state that the norm in Norway is, by a solid margin, to not be afraid of the police. There’s also plenty of statistics that back me up on that.
You might wanna read up on the history of policing in Canada. Our police force is systematically corrupt and deeply racist. Our mounties were created from the men who did the red river massacre of indigenous peoples and to this day, cops across the country are giving “starlight tours” and murdering civilians with impunity.
A lot of places train their police to de-escalate conflicts, as a default. This leads to far more reasonable encounters.
E.g. in the UK, we have some issues with racism and excessive racial profiling. I know quite a few people who dislike the police (of various ethnic groups). I know very few who fear the police (outside of them doing their job).
I also know a couple of people who work within the police (backroom). They are actively trying to deal with racism within the force. Unfortunately it’s a bit of a game of whack-a-mole, but at least they are trying.
America seems to be an exception. Just seeing your police out and about put me mentally on guard. They don’t radiate professionalism, but bully swagger.
I’d say it’s a lot more likely that you’re not aware of what happens in your super secret country you can’t disclose.
i’m very well aware, and it’s germany. And probably many other places on earth too, I just can’t say for them. Probably none beats the USA :)
It’s a pretty safe bet:
If someone thinks their country is perfect, their country is just good at propaganda.
Silly nonsensical argument as i haven’t even said “my country is perfect”. It’s far from that. Why are you fantasizing a whole statement out of a simple “our cops are nice”?! Do you NEED propaganda or can you only think binary due to being too “americanized”?
Because even people who live in the “best” countries have complaints.
I mean…. German cops are friendlier than American cops, but they’re still bastards. Oury Jalloh, the fascist WhatsApp group from Hessen, and similar things happen here too.
“things happen” everywhere, all the time. but judging by just the bad things from some whatsapp-group (who still uses WA nowadays?) is not really a good measure, is it? That’s more a mixture of availability and negativity bias based on availability heuristics and the “mean world syndrome”. Besides, what else should extreme rightists or leftists report? How they have been treated super nicely and the state is fine and how they’re content with the status quo?
We have official statistics though, they surely tell a different story. And to even add worthless anecdotal knowledge: I’m >50 and had many encounters with cops in many different situations and ranks. And they all went fine, civilized and polite.
If you act civilized, you’ll most likely be treated civilized. By cops and anyone else.
Any why on earth should I pick cop as a job when i’m a bastard. I’d take something in finance and fuck you where it really hurts.
But people love tribalism and hating the same stuff together, like microsoft-bad or ACAB. Doesn’t always have to be fact-based, despite the existence of probably a good number of bastard-cops.
I mean, yeah, it’s not a big deal if you don’t think about it further. I don’t like knowing that the people who are supposed to be impartial and who might have to intervene in a situation in which I find myself in danger don’t think I’m as valuable as a German citizen is. If the police had faced consequences, I would be a lot less concerned, because as you said, bad things happen everywhere. With no consequences, it means there’s tacit systemic acceptance of that type of behavior and attitude.
As for why a bastard would want to be a cop? You don’t get to witness a man burning alive as a banker.
As I said, it’s better here, but that doesn’t mean it’s fine or good.
I don’t know if anyone would think less of you because you’re not a german. That probably highly depends on what culture you’re from and more important: represent.
According to said public statistics, many violent crimes are highly leaning towards certain groups.
If I had to instantly judge your possible danger, those numbers surely factor in. Prejudice is nothing inherently bad, it’s a great survival mechanism.
And considering they’re risking their health or even their life, they surely use quick prejudices.
If you don’t replace the initial prejudgment with a real judgment after an interaction, that makes you a dumb bastard, cop or not.
And surely no system is perfect. You cannot have every cop have undergo a total psychiatric assessment every month. You have one before even allowed to participate in the selection process. And who would screen the screener. A rotting society also begets rotting cops.
But as a banker I can buy and burn down his whole street and watch videos of the suffering. Beats watching one man burn if you’re into sadism that is.
From my POV it’s fine though. ICE is not fine. Not even close. And the worst German bastard cop is probably still better as a normal ICE-“cop”.
I’d say it’s a lot more likely that you’re not aware of what happens in your super secret country you can’t disclose.
It’s a pretty safe bet:
Because even people who live in the “best” countries have complaints.
You do realise that “not being afraid of the police” is actually the norm in most developed democracies, right?
The state of the US police force is not some kind of act of God that nothing can be done about. You’re just all too goddamned lazy and selfish to fix it (see also: healthcare, education, school shootings, …)
For non-minorities, sure.
Let me guess: you’re not afraid of the police and also white.
You do realize that perception doesn’t match reality, right?
People not being afraid of police, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be. Just that they haven’t had a personal reaction yet…
Which is why no one will name one of these mythical places where police are helpful and not a danger.
Because if you did, anyone could explain what you’re not noticing.
On some level, people realize that, or someone would have given one of the “many developed democracies” as an example.
Checking in from Norway. Can confirm that neither myself nor anyone I know has ever expressed that they’re afraid of the police, or that they have reason to be. People I know include a fair number of people with minority backgrounds, criminal records, or both, so this isn’t a statistic that comes from never interacting with the cops.
Sure, cops here can make mistakes, and sure, there are probably some people that shouldn’t be cops who are. However, by and large, it typically becomes a national media case if someone is injured by the police. Excessive use of force seems to be very uncommon, and in the few cases I’m aware of where it’s happened, the cops involved have been charged and sentenced for it.
It may seem alien to you, but when you build a well educated police force from people that actually want to help their communities, what you get is a police force that most people feel they can trust. When you follow up with clear corrections when some cop does something wrong, you end up with a system that most people feel they can trust.
Relevant link: The average Norwegian rates their trust for the police at about 7.5 / 10, which is the highest of any public institutions here (slightly above courts at 7/10, and a bit ahead of the parlament at about 6.7 / 10).
There’s plenty of people in Norway who are afraid of the police, especially minorities. We got discrimination going on just like everywhere else, it just doesn’t reach the national news most of the time. The officer who killed Eugene Ejike Obiora not only got away scot-free, he’s now the chief of operations for the local police force and is still harassing our minorities.
I didn’t mean to imply that no problems exist, they definitely do. My point was regarding the original comment that “not being afraid of the police is the norm in most developed democracies”. Despite some exceptions, I would definitely state that the norm in Norway is, by a solid margin, to not be afraid of the police. There’s also plenty of statistics that back me up on that.
Yeah, I live in Canada, and while the cops do some fucked up shit, it’s not nearly to the level as US cops.
I never see a cop and feel scared for myself or anybody around me. At most, I feel worried that there’s something happening.
You might wanna read up on the history of policing in Canada. Our police force is systematically corrupt and deeply racist. Our mounties were created from the men who did the red river massacre of indigenous peoples and to this day, cops across the country are giving “starlight tours” and murdering civilians with impunity.
Here’s another famous incident murdering a teen on a bus.
Two Welland cops shoot each other 10X and not one gets a conviction.
Hamilton cop in charge of youth outreach charged with exploitation, and in a first, suspended without pay. very rare.
I’m aware.
That is very naive. CDN cops are assholes.
What are you trying to convince me to be scared of with that article?
They’re from fantasy land where pigs aren’t bastards.
A lot of places train their police to de-escalate conflicts, as a default. This leads to far more reasonable encounters.
E.g. in the UK, we have some issues with racism and excessive racial profiling. I know quite a few people who dislike the police (of various ethnic groups). I know very few who fear the police (outside of them doing their job).
I also know a couple of people who work within the police (backroom). They are actively trying to deal with racism within the force. Unfortunately it’s a bit of a game of whack-a-mole, but at least they are trying.
America seems to be an exception. Just seeing your police out and about put me mentally on guard. They don’t radiate professionalism, but bully swagger.
i’m very well aware, and it’s germany. And probably many other places on earth too, I just can’t say for them. Probably none beats the USA :)
Silly nonsensical argument as i haven’t even said “my country is perfect”. It’s far from that. Why are you fantasizing a whole statement out of a simple “our cops are nice”?! Do you NEED propaganda or can you only think binary due to being too “americanized”?
Err…yes? of course? that is pretty obvious. Duh.
I mean…. German cops are friendlier than American cops, but they’re still bastards. Oury Jalloh, the fascist WhatsApp group from Hessen, and similar things happen here too.
Yeah, but OP doesn’t personally suffer…
Yet.
But if OP is convinced everything is fine, they’ll never stop it from getting worse.
And eventually they’ll transitions from “us” to “them” in the eyes of the government and police.
They’re in that lazy compliance stage fascists support.
“things happen” everywhere, all the time. but judging by just the bad things from some whatsapp-group (who still uses WA nowadays?) is not really a good measure, is it? That’s more a mixture of availability and negativity bias based on availability heuristics and the “mean world syndrome”. Besides, what else should extreme rightists or leftists report? How they have been treated super nicely and the state is fine and how they’re content with the status quo?
We have official statistics though, they surely tell a different story. And to even add worthless anecdotal knowledge: I’m >50 and had many encounters with cops in many different situations and ranks. And they all went fine, civilized and polite. If you act civilized, you’ll most likely be treated civilized. By cops and anyone else.
Any why on earth should I pick cop as a job when i’m a bastard. I’d take something in finance and fuck you where it really hurts. But people love tribalism and hating the same stuff together, like microsoft-bad or ACAB. Doesn’t always have to be fact-based, despite the existence of probably a good number of bastard-cops.
I mean, yeah, it’s not a big deal if you don’t think about it further. I don’t like knowing that the people who are supposed to be impartial and who might have to intervene in a situation in which I find myself in danger don’t think I’m as valuable as a German citizen is. If the police had faced consequences, I would be a lot less concerned, because as you said, bad things happen everywhere. With no consequences, it means there’s tacit systemic acceptance of that type of behavior and attitude.
As for why a bastard would want to be a cop? You don’t get to witness a man burning alive as a banker.
As I said, it’s better here, but that doesn’t mean it’s fine or good.
I don’t know if anyone would think less of you because you’re not a german. That probably highly depends on what culture you’re from and more important: represent.
According to said public statistics, many violent crimes are highly leaning towards certain groups. If I had to instantly judge your possible danger, those numbers surely factor in. Prejudice is nothing inherently bad, it’s a great survival mechanism. And considering they’re risking their health or even their life, they surely use quick prejudices.
If you don’t replace the initial prejudgment with a real judgment after an interaction, that makes you a dumb bastard, cop or not.
And surely no system is perfect. You cannot have every cop have undergo a total psychiatric assessment every month. You have one before even allowed to participate in the selection process. And who would screen the screener. A rotting society also begets rotting cops.
But as a banker I can buy and burn down his whole street and watch videos of the suffering. Beats watching one man burn if you’re into sadism that is.
From my POV it’s fine though. ICE is not fine. Not even close. And the worst German bastard cop is probably still better as a normal ICE-“cop”.