So basically most Muslim scholars say piracy is forbidden cause it’s a form of stealing. The basics argument is taking anything from anyone without thier consent is morally wrong and haram. If someone makes anything like a book, game or software and he sells it you shouldn’t pirate it unless they agree to give it for free.

There are exceptions for that, for example if you need a book or a course but you can’t afford it you can pirate it on the promise that you’ll give it’s honor the money once you’ve it. Also, concealing knowledge is a sin in islam, so it’s permitted to pirate books and courses if the platform had banned your country ips for example or you can’t pay because us sanitation or if a state try to hide a boom for example or it’s owner refused to share knowledge and decided to not sell his book anymore. but if it’s available for sale it’s haram to pirate it against it’s owner will.

How do you guys argue against these fatwas? Are there fatwas that make piracy halal? Why do you think it’s halal if you do?

  • ominous ocelot@leminal.space
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    23 hours ago

    That’s a very interesting POV on exploitation rights Religious law’s point of view instead of a state law. I respect that you try to follow your moral compass. I can’t give you an answer.

    Since it isn’t technically stealing (taking away a thing) but harming the creator by not buying licenses from him it gets complicated. Nice take on the book pirating - pay the creator as soon as you can.

    Do you know how seeding in a p2p network is assessed? When you download a book which you intend to pay for later (halal), someone gives you bandwidth under the assumption that you seed it back. But is it allowed? You can’t know if the leecher uses it in a halal way. Is not seeding haram? Is seeding haram?

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      18 hours ago

      but harming the creator by not buying licenses

      This would mostly only apply to indie games.

      in the case of companies like EA Activision etc., you could argue paying for it harms the creator by empowering their exploiters, and that paying for it harms the innocent because the US government receives a cut.

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      23 hours ago

      Regrading seeding, most pirated Arabic content is found on websites with direct download links. Torrent isn’t that famous mostly because of bad internet speed and quota see this https://lemdro.id/post/34737706

      So for sharing in general, some schoolers even permit recording university lecture and sharing it even against professor and uni well as they shall not council knowledge.

      I remember a schooler got banned from monitoring exams because students would ask him during exam and he would explain to them and giving answer because prophet siad “He who is asked something he knows and conceals it will have a bridle of fire put on him on the Day of Resurrection.”

      So generally schoolers would allow seeding for course, lectures and books but not games for example. Some even might set price that you can’t share book below it because everyone can afford it. Some would tell you that you can pirate any knowledge that will benefit you and pay if you ever got the money but for example if it’s a novel that you read for pure enjoyment that you don’t read it to increase your vocabulary or something is not permitted in that.

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        22 hours ago

        “He who is asked something he knows and conceals it will have a bridle of fire put on him on the Day of Resurrection.”

        This is interesting actually. It doesnt only mean “do not lie”, but much more important, “do not conceal information”, which is much more powerful.

        If you can translate this to knowledge, I would say you have an argument for pirating books etc is not halal, as it is more halal to conceal the information.

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          21 hours ago

          How it’s more halal to council information? Where did you get that from? Halal means permitted or allowed

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            20 hours ago

            They definitely meant haram. Because they make a good point.

            I’m not religious, but I agree wholeheartedly with the sharing of information… not because of a threat from Allah, but due to my own ethics. I believe information learned is meant to be shared, so I give it freely, not asking for compensation or expecting thanks. I just believe it is expected that I share what I know as others have shared to me, and by freely sharing, we better ourselves and each other. That’s not religion, it’s just my ethics.