This sinking seems like a really big deal to me, but I don’t feel like it’s been treated that way. Everyone seems to react like it’s just another example of Trump being shitty, and it is, but also, we sank another country’s warship with a torpedo. That seems pretty momentous no matter what country it was.
This is only the second warship sunk by a nuke sub (HMS Conqueror) and the first warship the US has sunk with a sub since 1945. We won’t talk about the Russian cargo ship that “exploded” in 2024.
In the frame of war, this is big. In the frame of history this is huge. The lack of coverage and the apathy to it is ridiculous. This has never happened in our lifetime, well unless you are 80, so we have that going for us…at least its new lol.
It feels different in a few ways to me. One, it feels much more personal and “fuck you in particular.” It’s one thing to lob missiles at a base and fuck whoever happens to be there, but you KNOW there’s a real possibility that you kill every mother effer on that ship if you hit it with a torpedo.
I’m not articulating it very well, but it’s just got a different sort of cruelty that something like shelling an airbase just lacks for me.
I guess I can sort-of see where you’re coming from. Presumably when they’re bombing an airbase they’re trying to hit planes, destroy runways, etc. If you’re in the break room at the time there’s a decent chance you don’t die. If you’re working on a plane, you’re probably dead. But, when you sink a ship, everyone goes into the water and there’s a good chance they’ll die.
To me, the fact that it happened nowhere near Iran is the bigger deal. It means that parts of the world that aren’t aligned with either side in the war now have to wonder what might explode in their own territory.
OTOH, at least when you sink a military ship there won’t be civilian casualties. If the US had actually declared war on Iran, which of course never happened, but if… then another warship is actually a valid target. This isn’t like blowing up an apartment building because a guy on your kill list is in one of the apartments.
This sinking seems like a really big deal to me, but I don’t feel like it’s been treated that way. Everyone seems to react like it’s just another example of Trump being shitty, and it is, but also, we sank another country’s warship with a torpedo. That seems pretty momentous no matter what country it was.
And it was unarmed, coming back from an exercise that was essentially a parade. Bonus points of shit!
Apparently the US had pulled out of that exercise at the last minute. So it’s the dickest of dick moves.
I just learned that five minutes ago, and it really does make it even worse.
This is only the second warship sunk by a nuke sub (HMS Conqueror) and the first warship the US has sunk with a sub since 1945. We won’t talk about the Russian cargo ship that “exploded” in 2024.
In the frame of war, this is big. In the frame of history this is huge. The lack of coverage and the apathy to it is ridiculous. This has never happened in our lifetime, well unless you are 80, so we have that going for us…at least its new lol.
Different from smashing their airfields with missiles? Or, is it different because of where it happened?
It feels different in a few ways to me. One, it feels much more personal and “fuck you in particular.” It’s one thing to lob missiles at a base and fuck whoever happens to be there, but you KNOW there’s a real possibility that you kill every mother effer on that ship if you hit it with a torpedo.
I’m not articulating it very well, but it’s just got a different sort of cruelty that something like shelling an airbase just lacks for me.
I guess I can sort-of see where you’re coming from. Presumably when they’re bombing an airbase they’re trying to hit planes, destroy runways, etc. If you’re in the break room at the time there’s a decent chance you don’t die. If you’re working on a plane, you’re probably dead. But, when you sink a ship, everyone goes into the water and there’s a good chance they’ll die.
To me, the fact that it happened nowhere near Iran is the bigger deal. It means that parts of the world that aren’t aligned with either side in the war now have to wonder what might explode in their own territory.
OTOH, at least when you sink a military ship there won’t be civilian casualties. If the US had actually declared war on Iran, which of course never happened, but if… then another warship is actually a valid target. This isn’t like blowing up an apartment building because a guy on your kill list is in one of the apartments.