No. Just no. Other countries cn rise above misogyny, but not us. Dems need to drop this whole “please the right” schtick too. We need someone actually progressive, someone who doesn’t ride the Israeli money train, and alas - is male. Bonus points for not playing the “we need to forgive and forget” card either. It didn’t work, and a lot of these assholes are just regurgitating the South. They lost, but never faced punishment. If we let racism slide, we let them build confidence and organize.
Electorate is pretty damn sexist, if either of Clinton or Harris were men it would have been landslide victories. Instead they elected the worst man ever born in America twice.
And yet, Biden barely won in 2020. He only won in 2020 because of Covid. And polls at the time he dropped out indicated he was on track to losing far worse than Kamala did. I think you’re just projecting your sexism onto the electorate.
Something I think is that back in 2008, I’m certain Hilary Clinton would have won and possibly won by a bigger margin than Obama. Practically anyone that won the dem primary in 2008 would have won after the start of the financial crisis and the albatross of middle eastern wars, but Clinton in 2008 hadn’t been so successfully smeared and there wasn’t 8 years of continued middle eastern wars and widening income inequality discontent under a dem president where interest in party outsiders exploded. Plus the significance of social media was so much more important in 2016 than 2012 and 2008 and Clintons poor adaptability to the daily internet mood swings wouldn’t have been a problem in 2008 when Facebook was still duking it out with MySpace and didn’t really have middle aged and older people yet, youtube was 2 years old, twitter was niche, reddit was really nerdy, instagram wasn’t a thing yet
I’m certain in 2008 Clinton would have won easily, won by a larger margin, faced less unified opposition from republicans in congress. 2024 ended up so close that I’m sure if there was a democratic primary, Harris would not have won but whoever did win, would have beaten Donald Trump. Like if the Michigan governor ran and won the primary, Gretchen Whitmer would be president
Exactly. Is there sexism in the electorate? Sure. But those folks are unlikely to vote for a Democratic candidate anyway. Maybe there are a handful of people that are deeply sexist but still want to vote for Democrats, but it kind of goes against the entire core brand message of the party. Just how many people are there that would never want to vote for a woman president, but also want to protect immigrant rights, queer rights, black and brown rights, etc?
And we should also not ignore positive sexism. Are there some people that would vote for a male Democratic candidate but not a female one? Probably. But there are probably even more people that would be persuaded to go from non-voter to Democratic voter simply to see the first woman elected president.
The example I always keep coming back to is Margaret Thatcher, curse her bones. She was elected prime minister of Britain…in the 1980s! Britain has a very similar political culture to the US. And she won while running as a conservative! Left of center voters, the people most likely to support a female candidate, opposed her. And rightly so because of her policies. But she was able to win over conservatives. If a conservative woman can become the leader of the UK in the 1980s, there is zero reason a liberal woman can’t do so in the US in the 2020s.
We’re referring to the rhetoric that happens every single time the Democrats get a smidge of power. “We need to reach across the aisle”, “It’s time to let the healing begin” and my all time favorite, “impeachment is off the table.”
THAT shit has to stop and we won’t get it by re-electing establishment Democrats.
The last Dem to get a smidge of power for 2 years was Barack Obama and he passed the weakened ACA with it.
He maintained his all-important legacy as a very white-seeming non-controversial black man.
No. Just no. Other countries cn rise above misogyny, but not us. Dems need to drop this whole “please the right” schtick too. We need someone actually progressive, someone who doesn’t ride the Israeli money train, and alas - is male. Bonus points for not playing the “we need to forgive and forget” card either. It didn’t work, and a lot of these assholes are just regurgitating the South. They lost, but never faced punishment. If we let racism slide, we let them build confidence and organize.
I think you’re just projecting your own sexism onto the electorate as a whole.
Electorate is pretty damn sexist, if either of Clinton or Harris were men it would have been landslide victories. Instead they elected the worst man ever born in America twice.
And yet, Biden barely won in 2020. He only won in 2020 because of Covid. And polls at the time he dropped out indicated he was on track to losing far worse than Kamala did. I think you’re just projecting your sexism onto the electorate.
Something I think is that back in 2008, I’m certain Hilary Clinton would have won and possibly won by a bigger margin than Obama. Practically anyone that won the dem primary in 2008 would have won after the start of the financial crisis and the albatross of middle eastern wars, but Clinton in 2008 hadn’t been so successfully smeared and there wasn’t 8 years of continued middle eastern wars and widening income inequality discontent under a dem president where interest in party outsiders exploded. Plus the significance of social media was so much more important in 2016 than 2012 and 2008 and Clintons poor adaptability to the daily internet mood swings wouldn’t have been a problem in 2008 when Facebook was still duking it out with MySpace and didn’t really have middle aged and older people yet, youtube was 2 years old, twitter was niche, reddit was really nerdy, instagram wasn’t a thing yet
I’m certain in 2008 Clinton would have won easily, won by a larger margin, faced less unified opposition from republicans in congress. 2024 ended up so close that I’m sure if there was a democratic primary, Harris would not have won but whoever did win, would have beaten Donald Trump. Like if the Michigan governor ran and won the primary, Gretchen Whitmer would be president
Exactly. Is there sexism in the electorate? Sure. But those folks are unlikely to vote for a Democratic candidate anyway. Maybe there are a handful of people that are deeply sexist but still want to vote for Democrats, but it kind of goes against the entire core brand message of the party. Just how many people are there that would never want to vote for a woman president, but also want to protect immigrant rights, queer rights, black and brown rights, etc?
And we should also not ignore positive sexism. Are there some people that would vote for a male Democratic candidate but not a female one? Probably. But there are probably even more people that would be persuaded to go from non-voter to Democratic voter simply to see the first woman elected president.
The example I always keep coming back to is Margaret Thatcher, curse her bones. She was elected prime minister of Britain…in the 1980s! Britain has a very similar political culture to the US. And she won while running as a conservative! Left of center voters, the people most likely to support a female candidate, opposed her. And rightly so because of her policies. But she was able to win over conservatives. If a conservative woman can become the leader of the UK in the 1980s, there is zero reason a liberal woman can’t do so in the US in the 2020s.
Nope, there is NO evidence we need to be sexist like this.
The issue is that Kamela is not progressive and in the pocket of money & AIPAC.
What “please the right”??? Pleasing the right was Trump campaign.
We’re referring to the rhetoric that happens every single time the Democrats get a smidge of power. “We need to reach across the aisle”, “It’s time to let the healing begin” and my all time favorite, “impeachment is off the table.”
THAT shit has to stop and we won’t get it by re-electing establishment Democrats.
The last Dem to get a smidge of power for 2 years was Barack Obama and he passed the weakened ACA with it. He maintained his all-important legacy as a very white-seeming non-controversial black man.
Campaigning with Cheneys, promising full support for a zionist genocide, backing off from universal healthcare and trans rights. Need I go on?
Considering that Trump won, that wasn’t actually pleasing the right wasn’t it?
But dems are free to go full in on these things and fail the second time.
I think it was pleasing enough to right-wing billionaires (sorry for the tautology) - both the campaign itself and the ultimate failure.