• James R Kirk@startrek.website
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    I don’t believe any of this is supported by what we saw on screen. Do you have evidence to support these claims? Even just a single line of dialogue for each claim would be helpful.

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      I’d have to rewatch, but I recall as they picked Adira up from 32nd century Earth, despite being a fully grown up person, went by feminine pronouns. Adira had to work up to come out, rather than being out from the onset.

      I recall because I was very confused on Adira’s introduction because they kept yelling from the rooftops about how progressive they were by having a non-binary character, but Adira and everyone around Adira kept using feminine terms. I distinctly recall a ‘coming out’ moment which seemed to be played with trepidation.

      The fairest thing I could say is that 32nd century earth was no longer “federation” and so maybe they had a big old conservative backslide and so Adira’s plight was due to the gloomy setting of isolated Earth with the loss of FTL travel.

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          Ugh, fine.

          “Adira, who joined us from Earth, may be able to guide sto Federation headquarters one she regains her own memoris”

          “Is there any way the symbiont was joined with Adira against her will?”

          Basically, Adira spends episodes 3 through 8 rolling with feminine pronouns, keeping their non-binary nature a secret.

          Adira doesn’t come out until Episode 8: ADIRA: Um, “they.” Not… not “she.” I’ve never felt like a “she” or or a “her,” so… I would prefer “they” or “them” from now on.

          STAMETS: Okay.

          ADIRA: Um, and I’ve never told anyone but Gray.

          Adira kept their non-binary identity secret and took them 5 episodes to work up the nerve to declare to the first person other than Gray. I think the traditional trek move would have been from episode 3, right out the gate, first reference to this new character would use non-gendered pronouns because, well, why would they feel they need to keep it a secret?

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            Where is it reflected in canon that Adira was “afraid” to come out, keeping their gender a “secret”, or otherwise had to “work up courage”?

            Again, just a single line of dialogue or anything from the show that illustrates that the topic was covered more than that scene I linked to in my initial comment.

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              I quoted the show. Season 3, episode 8. After several episodes of going by “she” did Adira actually say anything, after spending their entire life only telling Gray.

              Why else would they withhold this their whole life except for anxiety. Is not like they had an awakening, they said they never felt that way and had already confided in the person they were closest to.

              They made it very clear that asserting a non binary identity was just uncomfortable enough in society in the 32nd century that Adira felt a need to keep it to themselves.