because the users here are desperate to feel like Iran is some genius amazing military force and the USA is incompetent and pathetic.
hence the lie in the headline and the commentary further exaggerating what actually happened. it’s pure delusion, but you are on lemmy.ml which is full of pro-authoritarian, anti-democractic folk.
In US wars, the general US promise is only a few dead grunts. Not damage to allies infrastructure or equipment losses, while they lie about death toll. Not risking destruction of most valuable property in the world and global economy from enemy deterrent capability.
“Repairing” major aircraft isn’t like fixing a dent on a sedan. A single nick in a critical zone triggers full disassembly, part-by-part inspection, and replacement. Five KC-135s took direct hits from explosives. That they aren’t “dust” is irrelevant. Structural integrity is compromised. Return to service means months or more of labor, scarce parts, and diverted maintenance capacity as they are fully dismantled, inspected and then possibly repaired.
Then there’s the cost exchange. Iranian ballistic missiles run roughly $1-2 million to produce. A KC-135 is ~$80 million adjusted for inflation. Five tankers is ~$400 million in assets, not counting wasted crew training during operational downtime and the repair costs. When one side trades cheap, mass-produced munitions for high-value, hard-to-replace platforms, that’s clearly valuable.
And let’s be real about US “competence.” They lost a $1.1 billion radar to a Shahed drone. A Black Hawk and an advanced anti-drone radar taken out by FPV strikes. The Strait closed while they scrambled. An F-35 forced back for repairs after taking a hit from an old IR-tube missile. This campaign has been a comedy of errors.
Iran isn’t full of military geniuses. But they’re showing clear competency: splitting command into cells to blunt decapitation strikes, prioritizing radar and C4ISR first, then shifting to high-value enablers like tankers. They understand the material conditions. The US is learning, expensively once again, that overwhelming cost and complexity is a vulnerability.
In addition, MAGA replaced the best high-ranking US military officers with their “yes” people. Guess who else did that after the 1939 Polish Campaign, which led to repeated strategic failures across the board, and that is why the Allies did not make an attempt to remove him. I’m still trying to grasp how a crucial aircraft carrier can be removed from a combat theater based on a laundry room fire!?!?
and your ‘argument’ is is meaningless grandstanding for Iran, totally ignoring the 100s of assets and their value that were destroyed. Iran effectively has no air force or navy anymore.
So? Those are assets the Iranians knew they would loose early in the war with the Satanic Forces. They are fighting with drones and missiles just as they have always planned to do.
So get fucked America. You can sink a battleship but you can’t do shit to drone swarms, therefore you can’t fight modern wars. They can’t even learn and adapt to this because the US military is so captured by the corporate pedoship. It’s glorious to see them finally eatting shit with all those trillions and trillions of worthless broken eshitified tech.
Meanwhile all the other potential victims of American aggression are taking notes.
Ukraine doesn’t effectively have an air force or navy. And look how well that’s working out for Russia. They don’t need a massive navy. Iran doesn’t need to steam across the ocean and lay siege to Washington D.C. in order to win this war. They just need to outlast the US and Israel. It’s telling that, despite Iran lacking a navy, the US is keeping its own navy clear of the Straight of Hormuz. Instead the actual ships are being kept far away from the Iranian coast, and targets are being bombed via long range aircraft and stand off munitions. That’s tellingly the exact same tactic Russia has been forced to use over Ukraine.
Iran was running soviet hand me downs and equivalents, their air force and navy were never core to their military strategy. Drones, missiles etc are the core and it’s clearly working.
The fact is that the US spends nearly a trillion a year on its military (more than the next 10 countries combined) and built it’s image on being “THE” military superpower yet they are having their toys destroyed in massive cost loss conversions.
Why do you feel the need to lick US boots beyond being deeply chauvinist internally. The US clearly has no real goal in this war, it’s shifted from nebulous “regime change” (which worked out so well every other time) to opening the straight that was already open before this idiotic war.
Why is it so hard for you to admit that this is an idiotic war, a comedy of errors pushed forward by an inflated military budget and a false sense of invincibility. They have lost/spent roughly $61billion already increasing around $1billion a day, and what do they have to show for it? Destroying an air force and navy that wasn’t worth anything already? An Iranian populace now more radicalised than ever against them? An energy crisis threatening to topple the petrodollar?
You really should come down to reality sometimes if you manage to remove your tongue from the US’s sphincter. Iran could still absolutely be toppled but to act like to this point it hasn’t been a serious contender for fractions of a cent on the dollar spent, or that the US hasn’t been bumbling it’s way through losing well over a billion in advanced weapons platforms is ridiculous and completely detached from reality.
It will be really funny years from now after the full extent of the damage is widely acknowledged, I wonder what you will be saying then. Material reality doesn’t care about your chauvinism.
I’m not in or from the US, I’m from one of the many Latin American countries where we had a US backed dictatorship disappearing random people, including my grandpa’s friends, so fuck you
because the users here are desperate to feel like Iran is some genius amazing military force and the USA is incompetent and pathetic.
hence the lie in the headline and the commentary further exaggerating what actually happened. it’s pure delusion, but you are on lemmy.ml which is full of pro-authoritarian, anti-democractic folk.
In US wars, the general US promise is only a few dead grunts. Not damage to allies infrastructure or equipment losses, while they lie about death toll. Not risking destruction of most valuable property in the world and global economy from enemy deterrent capability.
“Repairing” major aircraft isn’t like fixing a dent on a sedan. A single nick in a critical zone triggers full disassembly, part-by-part inspection, and replacement. Five KC-135s took direct hits from explosives. That they aren’t “dust” is irrelevant. Structural integrity is compromised. Return to service means months or more of labor, scarce parts, and diverted maintenance capacity as they are fully dismantled, inspected and then possibly repaired.
Then there’s the cost exchange. Iranian ballistic missiles run roughly $1-2 million to produce. A KC-135 is ~$80 million adjusted for inflation. Five tankers is ~$400 million in assets, not counting wasted crew training during operational downtime and the repair costs. When one side trades cheap, mass-produced munitions for high-value, hard-to-replace platforms, that’s clearly valuable.
And let’s be real about US “competence.” They lost a $1.1 billion radar to a Shahed drone. A Black Hawk and an advanced anti-drone radar taken out by FPV strikes. The Strait closed while they scrambled. An F-35 forced back for repairs after taking a hit from an old IR-tube missile. This campaign has been a comedy of errors.
Iran isn’t full of military geniuses. But they’re showing clear competency: splitting command into cells to blunt decapitation strikes, prioritizing radar and C4ISR first, then shifting to high-value enablers like tankers. They understand the material conditions. The US is learning, expensively once again, that overwhelming cost and complexity is a vulnerability.
Also authoritarian is meaningless pejorative.
In addition, MAGA replaced the best high-ranking US military officers with their “yes” people. Guess who else did that after the 1939 Polish Campaign, which led to repeated strategic failures across the board, and that is why the Allies did not make an attempt to remove him. I’m still trying to grasp how a crucial aircraft carrier can be removed from a combat theater based on a laundry room fire!?!?
and your ‘argument’ is is meaningless grandstanding for Iran, totally ignoring the 100s of assets and their value that were destroyed. Iran effectively has no air force or navy anymore.
Yet complete control of Gulf anyway. Complete control of global economy permission anyway. Much more relevant than your point.
So? Those are assets the Iranians knew they would loose early in the war with the Satanic Forces. They are fighting with drones and missiles just as they have always planned to do.
So get fucked America. You can sink a battleship but you can’t do shit to drone swarms, therefore you can’t fight modern wars. They can’t even learn and adapt to this because the US military is so captured by the corporate pedoship. It’s glorious to see them finally eatting shit with all those trillions and trillions of worthless broken eshitified tech.
Meanwhile all the other potential victims of American aggression are taking notes.
Ah the “assets and value” of 153 schoolchildren. Wow much strategy, waste weapons you can’t resupply on civilians.
Ukraine doesn’t effectively have an air force or navy. And look how well that’s working out for Russia. They don’t need a massive navy. Iran doesn’t need to steam across the ocean and lay siege to Washington D.C. in order to win this war. They just need to outlast the US and Israel. It’s telling that, despite Iran lacking a navy, the US is keeping its own navy clear of the Straight of Hormuz. Instead the actual ships are being kept far away from the Iranian coast, and targets are being bombed via long range aircraft and stand off munitions. That’s tellingly the exact same tactic Russia has been forced to use over Ukraine.
Iran was running soviet hand me downs and equivalents, their air force and navy were never core to their military strategy. Drones, missiles etc are the core and it’s clearly working.
The fact is that the US spends nearly a trillion a year on its military (more than the next 10 countries combined) and built it’s image on being “THE” military superpower yet they are having their toys destroyed in massive cost loss conversions.
Why do you feel the need to lick US boots beyond being deeply chauvinist internally. The US clearly has no real goal in this war, it’s shifted from nebulous “regime change” (which worked out so well every other time) to opening the straight that was already open before this idiotic war.
Why is it so hard for you to admit that this is an idiotic war, a comedy of errors pushed forward by an inflated military budget and a false sense of invincibility. They have lost/spent roughly $61billion already increasing around $1billion a day, and what do they have to show for it? Destroying an air force and navy that wasn’t worth anything already? An Iranian populace now more radicalised than ever against them? An energy crisis threatening to topple the petrodollar?
You really should come down to reality sometimes if you manage to remove your tongue from the US’s sphincter. Iran could still absolutely be toppled but to act like to this point it hasn’t been a serious contender for fractions of a cent on the dollar spent, or that the US hasn’t been bumbling it’s way through losing well over a billion in advanced weapons platforms is ridiculous and completely detached from reality.
It will be really funny years from now after the full extent of the damage is widely acknowledged, I wonder what you will be saying then. Material reality doesn’t care about your chauvinism.
Yeah, and tomorrow the entire usa will just spontaneously combust. Yourself included.
I’m not in or from the US, I’m from one of the many Latin American countries where we had a US backed dictatorship disappearing random people, including my grandpa’s friends, so fuck you
I’m seeing tankis and wankies fighting each other. And I love it.
Tell em’ how much you’re “winning”, your health insurance isn’t going to pay itself.
I kinda concur.