Im comfortable in my warm bed. A neighbouring country is being bombed by an empire the OP is shilling for and deing war crimes commited. Your moral high ground has been noted tho.
I am afraid you have committed two logical fallacies. A whataboutism and an ad hominem. I am therefore declaring myself victorious in this debate and taking the last word.
I leave you with this final thought: Have you considered that two things might be bad at once? Think about it.
If I was suporting one imperialist invasion and prettending the other one is not there that would be fair. OP spent last few years denying whats going on in Ukraine.
It’s a really bad look for folks still insisting that Ukraine is the correct side to associate defending it and criticising Russia with minimising this one. “What about the white people?” At least pretend to be consistent.
You mean the exact kind of ceasefire your own government imposed on Gaza? Where do you people think you are, cyberspace? You are in hell you absolute nematode. Good way to show you have never once looked at the Russian demands. This isn’t even current event literacy. You’ve had four years, and all you do is keep repeating your same ignorant remarks like they mean something. It would be better to prepare for what’s coming with that time. I already solved your problem for myself and I don’t care to help you much.
My goverment? Not sure it has any meaningful inpact on actual european politics, but being the neocons they are I tend to be against most anything they stand for or do. Which gives me about as much agency as Russian communists have in their state. Your point being?
I do know the Russian demands more or less, and they call for dismounting most meaningfull lines of defence by giving away key stronghold cities. Sounds very much like a suicide when dealing with a state that every time lies about their intentions. Also loved the peace offer with Russian right to veto any actions in defence of Ukrainian territory. In regards of prep for whats comming dont worry. Russia can not defeat the most corrupt, weakest of the big states in Europe. Also they used to have much more sympathy in Ukraine then they do here. Most of their support base is far right and these will be dealt with when the time comes.
do you deny the last 8 years of Banderite terror before “evil RuZZia attacked us poor peole unprovoked”
you’re like fucking zionists who think hjistory started on oct 7
Yes I don’t think that happened, if Russian people had been oppressed in Eastern Ukraine then they would have moved just several miles east into the open arms of Russia and been safe. They would hardly have stayed if they felt in danger. I do know someone who made the mistake of staying put in Bucha when the Russians arrived and saw them murder civilians in the street.
if Russian people had been oppressed in Eastern Ukraine then they would have moved just several miles east into the open arms of Russia and been safe
Thank you for admitting that you, just like the Nazi regime in Kiev, dream of ethnically cleansing Eastern Ukraine. Just like the Zionists want to do in Gaza. No wonder they say they want to be a “larger Israel”.
Why should people who are native to that land and have lived on it for generations move? They stayed and they fought back and defended their homes and their land.
Also, citing obvious false flag atrocities committed by the Nazi side that you support isn’t the win you think it is.
wow negationism, a good old nazi practice.
Never mind the facts or reporting on it before the western regime press suddenly had to say ‘no nazis in ukraine’
most people leaving ex-ukraine actually went to Russia instead of leeching of the west.
And no, they don’t need to move because the nazi thugs attacked them.
And lol at Bucha, the ridiculous BS story where the mayer is laughing a day after Russia left and 3 days later they suddenly find a massacre.
And the victims just happen to wear (pro-Russia)white armbands and had Russian food boxes.
This when the nazi Safari regiment was sent in to clear the area of ‘Russian collaborators’.
So fuck you nazi revisionist.
Again it’s those fascist thugs that did the warcrimes.
But you keep supporting the great EU/US side.
Unappologetically on the side of shitrael genociders and mass mrdering Iranian children.
disgusting
You ever been to Ukraine or Russia? Ive been crossing that border. If there was any meaningfull opression in eastern Ukraine people would run to Russia and be happy to be refugees. Eastern Ukraine was poor as fuck and western russia was a massive potemkin village, some 50-100km into Russia looked great, compared. Nearly EU level. Only when you get beyond that you get tp see the actual state of the country, and even the areas where money is pumped lools more lile american slums.
Oh, and yeah nazis from Ukraine should be dealt same way the Russian ones. Fuck banderites, amd fuck anyone who attempts to label an d stogmatise entire society by one minority group, an utterly nazi thing to do btw.
they bombed them for 8 years, a lot worse than “meaningfull opression”.
All civilian targets.
And why should they run from their own country and let it be taken over by Banderites? A lot left, a lot stayed.
Same on the other side.
The economic situation is irrelevant.
As in all western propaganda ypu minimize the scope and influence of Banderites.
Nazis don’t magically change their ideology because the Azov scum change their nazi logo a bit as we are made to believe.
Also they, as most visible and blatant are describesd as unique and an exception.
While there are plenty fascist batallions like Sich and Tornado.
There are plenty more outside of the military and they have infested others with their ideology when they joined other instances of society.
And here’s the nr 1 challenger for Zelenski should they have elections in ‘free and democratic’ ukraine.
I’m not saying everyone in ex-ukraine is a fascist but minimizing and whitewashing their huge nazi problem as is done here in the west is disgusting.
but that is of course the easy way for the US and vassals of getting regime change without fighting.
Arm and fund terrorists of all kinds in countries they don’t like.
Whether it’s fascists or headchoppers like Jolani, etc…
Later to be rehabilitated when they take over a country and become a puppet regime.
Will you post the ones from Ukraine as well?
Are you asking about the Ukranians civilians killed by Russia or something else?
Ooh, ooh, I know the thing you’re supposed to say here!
Ahem:
Whataboutism
europissants when people talk about someone else:
Im comfortable in my warm bed. A neighbouring country is being bombed by an empire the OP is shilling for and deing war crimes commited. Your moral high ground has been noted tho.
I am afraid you have committed two logical fallacies. A whataboutism and an ad hominem. I am therefore declaring myself victorious in this debate and taking the last word.
I leave you with this final thought: Have you considered that two things might be bad at once? Think about it.
Oh i did. You just forced yourself onto someone pointing out exactpy that to the OP. Have a nice day.
Well two wrongs don’t make a right. Food for thought.
there you go https://aroundus.com/p/164923678-alley-of-angels
in your funeral, instead of your loved ones reading your eulogy, they should bring up that other people died too and focus on them instead.
If I was suporting one imperialist invasion and prettending the other one is not there that would be fair. OP spent last few years denying whats going on in Ukraine.
It’s a really bad look for folks still insisting that Ukraine is the correct side to associate defending it and criticising Russia with minimising this one. “What about the white people?” At least pretend to be consistent.
But here are some dead civilians in Ukraine to satisfy your urge to secure the future of white children or whatever: https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/geopolitics/burned-alive-how-the-2014-odessa-massacre-became-a-turning-point-for-ukraine/
You mean the ones your leaders have denied a ceasefire? We already have. Extensively.
Would you support a “ceasefire” in Gaza where Israel gets all it wants and can change conditions of anytime they want?
You mean the exact kind of ceasefire your own government imposed on Gaza? Where do you people think you are, cyberspace? You are in hell you absolute nematode. Good way to show you have never once looked at the Russian demands. This isn’t even current event literacy. You’ve had four years, and all you do is keep repeating your same ignorant remarks like they mean something. It would be better to prepare for what’s coming with that time. I already solved your problem for myself and I don’t care to help you much.
My goverment? Not sure it has any meaningful inpact on actual european politics, but being the neocons they are I tend to be against most anything they stand for or do. Which gives me about as much agency as Russian communists have in their state. Your point being?
I do know the Russian demands more or less, and they call for dismounting most meaningfull lines of defence by giving away key stronghold cities. Sounds very much like a suicide when dealing with a state that every time lies about their intentions. Also loved the peace offer with Russian right to veto any actions in defence of Ukrainian territory. In regards of prep for whats comming dont worry. Russia can not defeat the most corrupt, weakest of the big states in Europe. Also they used to have much more sympathy in Ukraine then they do here. Most of their support base is far right and these will be dealt with when the time comes.
That would be equally bad.
OP spent last few years denying whats going on in Ukraine.
do you deny the last 8 years of Banderite terror before “evil RuZZia attacked us poor peole unprovoked”
you’re like fucking zionists who think hjistory started on oct 7
Yes I don’t think that happened, if Russian people had been oppressed in Eastern Ukraine then they would have moved just several miles east into the open arms of Russia and been safe. They would hardly have stayed if they felt in danger. I do know someone who made the mistake of staying put in Bucha when the Russians arrived and saw them murder civilians in the street.
Thank you for admitting that you, just like the Nazi regime in Kiev, dream of ethnically cleansing Eastern Ukraine. Just like the Zionists want to do in Gaza. No wonder they say they want to be a “larger Israel”.
Why should people who are native to that land and have lived on it for generations move? They stayed and they fought back and defended their homes and their land.
Also, citing obvious false flag atrocities committed by the Nazi side that you support isn’t the win you think it is.
wow negationism, a good old nazi practice. Never mind the facts or reporting on it before the western regime press suddenly had to say ‘no nazis in ukraine’ most people leaving ex-ukraine actually went to Russia instead of leeching of the west.
And no, they don’t need to move because the nazi thugs attacked them.
And lol at Bucha, the ridiculous BS story where the mayer is laughing a day after Russia left and 3 days later they suddenly find a massacre.
And the victims just happen to wear (pro-Russia)white armbands and had Russian food boxes.
This when the nazi Safari regiment was sent in to clear the area of ‘Russian collaborators’.
So fuck you nazi revisionist.
Again it’s those fascist thugs that did the warcrimes. But you keep supporting the great EU/US side.
Unappologetically on the side of shitrael genociders and mass mrdering Iranian children.
disgusting
You ever been to Ukraine or Russia? Ive been crossing that border. If there was any meaningfull opression in eastern Ukraine people would run to Russia and be happy to be refugees. Eastern Ukraine was poor as fuck and western russia was a massive potemkin village, some 50-100km into Russia looked great, compared. Nearly EU level. Only when you get beyond that you get tp see the actual state of the country, and even the areas where money is pumped lools more lile american slums.
Oh, and yeah nazis from Ukraine should be dealt same way the Russian ones. Fuck banderites, amd fuck anyone who attempts to label an d stogmatise entire society by one minority group, an utterly nazi thing to do btw.
they bombed them for 8 years, a lot worse than “meaningfull opression”.
All civilian targets.
And why should they run from their own country and let it be taken over by Banderites? A lot left, a lot stayed.
Same on the other side.
The economic situation is irrelevant.
As in all western propaganda ypu minimize the scope and influence of Banderites.
Nazis don’t magically change their ideology because the Azov scum change their nazi logo a bit as we are made to believe.
Also they, as most visible and blatant are describesd as unique and an exception.
While there are plenty fascist batallions like Sich and Tornado. There are plenty more outside of the military and they have infested others with their ideology when they joined other instances of society.
And here’s the nr 1 challenger for Zelenski should they have elections in ‘free and democratic’ ukraine.
I’m not saying everyone in ex-ukraine is a fascist but minimizing and whitewashing their huge nazi problem as is done here in the west is disgusting.
but that is of course the easy way for the US and vassals of getting regime change without fighting.
Arm and fund terrorists of all kinds in countries they don’t like.
Whether it’s fascists or headchoppers like Jolani, etc… Later to be rehabilitated when they take over a country and become a puppet regime.