Wang Yi cautioned against a return to the ‘law of the jungle’ but stopped short of criticising Trump directly

War in the Middle East “should never have happened”, China’s foreign minister Wang Yi has declared, even as he struck a more conciliatory tone with the US ahead of a highly anticipated visit by Donald Trump.

Regime change, a key stated aim of the US president as the US and Israel continue to attack Iran, “will find no popular support”, Wang said on Sunday. “A strong fist does not mean strong reason. The world cannot return to the law of the jungle,” he added.

Speaking on the sidelines of China’s annual parliamentary and political gatherings, known as the Two Sessions, the country’s top diplomat and foreign affairs official notably avoided directly criticising the US.

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    The western lib obsession with Taiwan is unbelievable. China hasn’t entered a war in 50+ years, it’s literally inconceivable for the western mind that China actually has good trade relations with Taiwan, because you can only understand violence and sanction, as is the case of Cuba by the US.

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      The exact same Principle applies to judging the Russian aggression against Ukraine, the American and Israeli aggression against Iran and the possible Chinese aggression against Taiwan.

      The difference for the latter is that so far it has only been threats, hence only concern about the possibility of it happening is justified, whilst judging China for it is not justified.

      Not saying that some (maybe even most) people knee-jerking “Taiwan” as soon as somebody says “China” aren’t being good little propaganda-driven muppets, rather I’m saying that some are not and their concern comes from personal principles around aggression and self-determination.

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        The exact same Principle applies to judging the Russian aggression against Ukraine

        The Russian republic had armed conflict in the 90s and 2000s with the Chechen wars, it has precedent of militaristic attitudes.

        the American and Israeli aggression against Iran

        The US had armed conflict in the 90s, 2000s and 2010s, and Israel has been genociding Palestinians since its inception

        and the possible Chinese aggression against Taiwan

        China doesn’t have a recent history of militarism. It’s pure speculation and kinda senseless looking at China’s attitudes towards Taiwan and their extensive trade agreements.

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          Communist China has invaded and annexed Tibet.

          So China when governed by the very same political force as governs it now is a proven imperialist.

          They’re also more powerful than Russia and on their way to supplant the US.

          It makes total sense to be worried that a powerful nation which under a government of the same ideology as governs it now has done so, will invade another far weaker and much smaller neighboring country which they’ve been consistently claiming to be “part of our nation” for decades.

          What it doesn’t make sense is to blame China for something they haven’t actually done, only talked about.

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            Communist China has invaded and annexed Tibet.

            This is over 50 years ago as I said, and you’re mischaracterizing what happened. Tibet was a feudal kingdom where the vast majority of the population were starved serfs legally bound to the land of their god-given lord. China liberated Tibet from feudalism and rose life expectancy and material conditions massively, while preserving their heritage, language and culture, and a degree of autonomy within China higher than most other regions (Tibet is an autonomous region).

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              Tibet was a feudal kingdom where the vast majority of the population were starved serfs legally bound to the land of their god-given lord. China liberated Tibet from feudalism and rose life expectancy and material conditions massively, while preserving their heritage, language and culture, and a degree of autonomy within China higher than most other regions (Tibet is an autonomous region).

              That’s the “they were ruled by evil dictators so we freed them” argument so beloved by Americans when they invade a country to take their shit.

              That Chinese propaganda right now - 2026 not 50 years ago - justifies China’s invasion and annexation of Tibet with the same kind of argument as America’s invasions are justfied, says all we need to know about the mindset of the power elites in both countries being pretty much the same, reinforcing fears that the Chinese Communist Party that rules China right know still has the same principles as it did back when it invaded and annexed Tibet and hence will do the same in a similar situation.

              You parroting that just further makes my point that it’s justified to be concerned with the possibility of China invading the weaker neighbor country is has always claimed to be part of it rather than a separate sovereign country.

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                That’s the “they were ruled by evil dictators so we freed them” argument so beloved by Americans

                The difference are the results. In Tibet now there’s a high development index with conservation of their culture, traditions and language, a functioning government with autonomy, and high levels of education and welfare. In Iraq, Syria and Libya, you have dismantled failed states, terrorism, religious extremism, disintegration of infrastructure and a total lack of education and welfare state. If you cared a minimum about informing yourself on Tibet and its inhabitants, you’d know this, instead of swallowing the American propaganda whole and using Tibetans as a political weapon instead of considering them as people with an agency and power.

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                  Again, you’re just digging the hole deeper:

                  • You’re just denying the whole principle of Self-Determination, same as Americans do. It’s not up to other people to decide how somebody else lives their lives. China took every single possible future away from Tibetans, many if not all of which would be better.
                  • All your statistics are based on a country which has been heavilly “colonized” by the dominant ethnic group of the invading nation since. Yeah, sure, the Hun live great lives in Tibet, but what about the ethnic-Tibetans? This is like saying the territory of Palestine is much better as it is now with a big chunk of it occupied by Israel than it would be if it remained is it was back when the whole area was ruled by the British. Sure, if you both ignore the natural improvements in quality of life it would have had anyway even under self-rule AND look at the average including the colonizers rather than only the original native, you get better numbers, same as comparing the British rule Palestinian Territory which the same are and include the quality of life of the white Jewish occupiers.

                  Basically you moved from using the American justification argument to using the Israeli justification, which I’m afraid isn’t actually less imperialist, quite the contrary.

                  Something completelly different and totally valid, IMHO, is if China had inspired Tibetans to overthrow their leadership and install Communism - similar to Vietnam - but that’s not what China did: China chose annexation and colonization - the path of conquest not the path of partnership.

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                    You’re just denying the whole principle of Self-Determination

                    Did you ask Tibetan people what they believe of this? There hasn’t ever been any significant independence movement in Tibet regarding this. I could compare that to my homeland of Spain, which had literal terrorist strikes from ETA because of Basque independence movements, and Catalonia’s extremely tense political situation that led to the imprisonment sentences of high-profile pro-independence politicians such as Charles Puidgemont or Oriol Junqueras. Nothing like this has been seen in Tibet, you’re literally pretending you know better about the self-governance of Tibet than Tibetans themselves. There is not any significant pro-independence political or social movement in Tibet, you’re making up the question of self-determination based on ideas and comparing with the west without analyzing the particular situation of Tibet or the desires of Tibetans.

                    Yeah, sure, the Hun live great lives in Tibet

                    You probably mean Han? Are you really trying to argue about ethnic policy in China and you literally cannot spell the name of the majority ethnicity in the country? You’re not arguing from a point of being well informed and well-read on the topic, you’re literally repeating Reddit comment-level propaganda.

                    what about the ethnic-Tibetans? This is like saying the territory of Palestine is much better as it is now with a big chunk of it occupied by Israel

                    Honestly, you’re just showing you are literally making up reality with that comparison. Open a book and stop regurgitating anti-China propaganda. It’s absolutely fucking insulting that you would dare compare the living standards of ethnic Tibetans in Tibet with the literal genocide of Palestinians in occupied Palestine. This conversation is over, I don’t argue with genocide denialists who minimize the genocide of Palestinians by comparing it to the living conditions of Tibet.

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      Using ‘lib’ as an insult just exposes the idiocy, thanks for self reporting.

      Red MAGA, Green MAGA, it doesn’t change.

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        It’s not an insult, it’s a description of your political position, a shortening of the word “liberal” in the USian sense of the word.

        What’s green MAGA? Genuinely curious, I never heard that before. Maybe following the teachings of Gaddafi’s green book?