Fun thing, I just booted up an old computer. Started right up. It had Ubuntu 11.10 on it.
Now, I obviously didn’t connect the thing to the Internet. Updates would have probably failed hard. Not because it’s missing over a decade of updates so there might be some complications on that front, but because it’s a Pentium III with Definitely Not Even a Gigabyte of memory. (Oh and a Nvidia GeForce 2 MX. I’m pretty sure that’s not supported by… any driver any more.)
Clone the hard drive and see what happens!
That’s pretty much what a browser needs these days.
8GB was barely enough 10 years ago. That’s when I switched to Arch+KDE. Then KDE started using more. memory.
More memory meaning? From 800Mb to 1GB? I’d say, for what plasma is, its ram usage is low.
The difference was hundreds of MB, but when you’re working with 8GB every bit counts. At that time KDE had an edge over Gnome. At some point the difference wasn’t there anymore.
I was rationing what software I had open so as to avoid hitting swap because that’s when there’s a noticeable lag. Gnome was worse at recovering from that.
In post PC ownership cyberpunk dystopia well all be running slack
I would be but I misplaced the “a” disk.
“HERE’S A NICKLE, KID. GET YOURSELF A BETTER COMPUTER.”
In this economy?
Great move in these times where RAM is cheap and widely available
I mean they didn’t go “well, let’s just use 2GB more RAM now”. They looked at the pre-release, and judged that for a good experience you should have 6GB. Chances are that resource consumption of 25.10 hasn’t been very different in practice.
what the dog doin
That dog is so dead by now
A dog dies twice. The first time is when its soul leaves its body, and the second time is when the meme of it is posted the last time.
If you’re strugging to afford an 8GB RAM chip, you may want to reconsider some of your life choices. Even with current market prices.
You’re right. I’m a developer making great money and I dont want to pay these prices. I should have stayed in retail so it would never even be an option to consider.
Poverty = life choices is the most reddit I’ve seen in Lemmy in a long while
No doubt the two aren’t always connected, but in the US at least, 8gb isnt exactly breaking the average American household’s bank. And if it is, yeah I’d argue they’re doing something wrong in their decisions. One could mow a few lawns and have enough cash to keep up with the modern requirements of an OS.
JFC. Zero self awareness here. Peak fucking American.
“No doubt they are always connected but I double down anyway”.
One could mow a few lawns and have enough cash to keep up with the modern requirements of an 0S.
Now that’s not just reddit, thats Fox News levels disconnect with reality.
Never thought I’d see “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” being used to defend inflated RAM prices, it’s getting wild over here
The median daily income in the USA is 70$ https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-median-income
According to T Mobile the average phone bill per month in the USA is 156$.
https://www.t-mobile.com/dialed-in/wireless/average-phone-bill-per-month
On newegg you can buy 8TV ram for $15.76 https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=RAM+8gb&Submit=ENE&pageTitle=RAM+8gb&Order=1
So yes, he’s fucking right. Most people in the USA can afford 8GB RAM and if they cannot, they should consider looking into their expenditures.
I’m speaking American since you’re quoting Fox News… Because it seems you’re so self aware you forgot other countries exist. But that’s just you’re average Lemmy user “I’m more woke than you” kind of bullshit.
Fucking hell you people are so tiring. Nobody supports anything going against its own world view. You make me cringe so fucking much.
I’m quoting Fox because the other mentioned US. Blame them for US centrism, but then please update your incomes and costs to somewhere like Somalia, or even Greece. But that would be too woke or something?
Even if most people can, that doesn’t mean that if you can’t is because of bad decisions. That means being homeless is because of bad decisions. That means that those already on debt for medical issues made a bad decision.
For a lot of people spending those 16 dollars on RAM is the bad decision.
BTW, median income is absurd. You can have income and still spend on living expenses more than you earn. Now please tell me people needs to move to rural Ohio to maw grass to buy 8 gigs of RAM.
What a fucking dumb hill to die on when factually proven wrong.
Most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. Surviving off creditcards and buy now pay later.
Something tells me you don’t exactly have your finger on the pulse of “average” America.
Fuck out of here with this bullshit
Ubuntu is the Windows 11 of Linux distros.
I’d say it’s worse than Win 11 as a desktop distro
Please everyone read or at least skim articles before posting. The article literally says, that it’s “an honest bump” to allow typical usage like web browsing and multitasking.
Ubuntu experts at OMG Ubuntu characterize the latest revision in RAM specs as “an honesty bump.” In other words, the core OS isn’t really more demanding on system resources this time around, but Canonical recognizes that with the latest Gnome desktop, modern web browsers, and typical multitasking workflows, users should look at a minimum of 6GB of RAM.
But that’s not honest.
Ubuntu’s default browser, and other apps, are snap-based. They take significantly more resourced than their Debian counterparts.
Web browsing is the real murder here… and i dont want to know how much memory is solely spent on ads
The week after GDPR went into effect was amazing. Almost nobody was ready, so they just turned off all their ads and tracking for European IPs while they figured it out. Pages loaded pretty much instantly.
Please everyone read or at least skim articles before posting.
NEVER!
But that requires actually READING 😖 /j
Downvoted, textwall!
/j
Tldr pls?
🔻
I’m concerned about in-system bloat because I read the linked article.
Rather, it’s more of an honesty bump. Components that make up the distro – the GNOME desktop and extensions, modern web browsers (and the sites we load in them) and the kinds of apps we use (and keep running) whilst multitasking are more demanding.
The desktop itself isn’t the only reason that you need more RAM, but it’s definitely one of them.
I totally get it but with the current rampocalypse I’d delay it just for the optics alone
IN THIS ECONOMY???
Worst timing for sure
can no longer say Linux is free
This is not Linux, this is Ubuntu, you can run Linux on the map on the back of a cereal box.
was trying to reference the minimum specs meme for Linux that goes like “Linux: memory (optional)”
I know, right? Read the room!
They’re raising it because of RAM needs of browsers and GNOME.
If you’re a shell nerd like me, you’ll still be fine running it on a potato.
A full potato? Lol, when I was young I had nothing but a french fry, scavenged from a McDonald’s bin.
You had McDonalds? That was just a farm in my day. Eee-eye-eee-eye-oh!
Nah, my village just had the bin
It’s an illuminating experience to go to a store with Apple computers on display, and browse to a RAM-heavy unoptimized website like YouTube or even Reddit now. Open a few tabs. Open a dozen. You’d be surprised what a decently coded OS can pull off without compromising on the visuals.
I always thought Gnome 3 was bloated.
Gnome 3 was a fad anyway
I switched to Mate for a while at the time, but then realised I liked XFCE even more.
So basically the system requirements of Chrome.
I don’t immediately hate it. It’s been a while since any laptops/prebuilds shipped with less than 8 GB, and there’s distros out there far better suited to running on low power or legacy hardware.
Yeah my old ass laptop as 16GB so this is a non issue.
My older-ass laptop has 2GB, so it’s kind of an issue for me.
(But I never attempted to put Ubuntu on that in the first place. It’s running a much older, purpose-built version of Linux.)
Wow, it needs more RAM than Windows!
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications
Wow those min specs are pure bullshit. Sure you can run the OS - oh, did you want to do anything else with your PC? Good luck
Funny enough, I installed Win11 on a friend’s HP convertible laptop today.
A 2GHz i3 and 4GB RAM, and it was still entirely usable. Not powerful by any means, but a fine socials browser, YouTube viewer, and document writer.
I’d have preferred to put Debian on it, but it wasn’t my call, so I did as requested.
A 2GHz i3
Strangely, that really does not narrow it down.
Cheap shit from 2014.
I just put mint on the same laptop from 2014 that you’re talking about. My intent is to use it as something with more real estate than a phone when lounging around. Replaced battery, fan, and replaced spinning rust with a spare SSD. Last week upgraded the ram to 16gb ($40ish on Amazon for ddr3l!!). Only reason I upgraded it was because Firefox would occasionally stutter on scrolling.
No no it doesn’t. It’s spec acknowledges that in addition to your OS you also run applications.
OK, but oppose to Windows, you can run Ubuntu 24 until 2029. I don’t think many will use a 4 GB notebook (as a notebook and not as a Debian server) beyond that time.
I’m using my 2016 Chromebook with 2GB until it literally dies. (Sucker has 16+ hours of battery life, pretty nice, actually!)
Last time i checked they still sell a RPi with less than 4GB of ram.
Ubuntu (at least the default wm) runs like shit on rpi. I use Ubuntu everywhere but for small machines I typically find something specific for it.
Sure, but my point was more they still currently sell devices with less than 4GB of RAM so it seems reasonable to foresee people still using them in 2 1/2 years.
I just checked Woot.com and you can get a refurbished Thinkpad with 16gb of RAM for $230. And there’s a scratch and dent Dell netbook with 8gb of RAM for $60.
