Yes, why not? If we die off, all the hard leared lessons we learned will be gone. Some other creature will have to do all the horrible shit we already did to get to where we are today. No need to duplicate that suffering. Let’s just try our best to suck less in the future.
I became a doomer. Humanity is a failed species. But everything that reduces suffering is worth doing. And everything that leaves the planet in a better state after we are gone is worth doing.
It sure is better than it would be if all the vegans and vegetarians were consuming meat. More importantly, fewer sentient animals that feel pain and fear have been abused and killed.
Killing is, so that’s sufficient to prove my point.
In 99% of other cases (meat produced via factory farming), yes other widespread abuses have also been proven. You’re engaging this discussion in bad faith by denying simple truths
Is it worth saving?
Yes, why not? If we die off, all the hard leared lessons we learned will be gone. Some other creature will have to do all the horrible shit we already did to get to where we are today. No need to duplicate that suffering. Let’s just try our best to suck less in the future.
Just think we should consider our options.
I became a doomer. Humanity is a failed species. But everything that reduces suffering is worth doing. And everything that leaves the planet in a better state after we are gone is worth doing.
Reduce suffering? We should all be on board with that. Anyone saying these things should be assumed to be vegan.
Go vegan
Or eat your meat sustainable
But killing things unnecessarily is cruel. So, best to just avoid it. Added benefit is that it’s significantly better for the environment.
didn’t you try being vegan? the environment isn’t any better.
It sure is better than it would be if all the vegans and vegetarians were consuming meat. More importantly, fewer sentient animals that feel pain and fear have been abused and killed.
not only can this not be proven, it implies pain, fear, and abuse are inherent to animal husbandry, but they are not.
Killing is, so that’s sufficient to prove my point.
In 99% of other cases (meat produced via factory farming), yes other widespread abuses have also been proven. You’re engaging this discussion in bad faith by denying simple truths
this can’t be proven
Sure can. Take average meat consumption per capita, multiply by number of folks who don’t eat meat. Bing bang boom. Again, bad faith
What’s better for the environment? Eating mass produced vegatables? Anything mass produced isn’t sustainable.
People have to eat. That’s the bottom line. What we eat and how we eat is important.
Good question. Yes, eating mass produced veggies is better for the environment (and less systemic cruelty) then eating meat.
Hello, fellow doomer::)
Society? No. All globalization has done is ensure as many people as possible are working for as few people as possible.
Humanity? Absolutely. We could see a return to tribal culture where people work for each other instead of the ruling class.
I mean, if you’re afraid of zombies, then yes.