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    ISIS and hamas are not enlightened islam, a religion follows it’s interpretation and what ISIS and Hamas do is blasphemy. Islam is not from God, it may have worked in the middle ages but now people who are reading it are insane fundamentalist. There are peaceful Muslims but not the mullahs in Iran, or ISIS or Hamas. Yes the bible says to kill people who violate the sabbath but functionally speaking no one is killed for violating the sabbath and it was not even interpreted that way in biblical times. The war musings of the quaran are interpreted this way by Muslims around the world.

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      Even if there are more fundamentalist Muslims today than fundamentalist Christians, that does not mean the entire religion cannot exist in a peaceful world. Certain sects and interpretations might be unacceptable, but as long as there is a single Muslim that works towards peace and coexistence, a single peaceful interpretation of the Quran, you can’t say we should not tolerate Islam. This absolutism is evil, stupid, and you should feel bad for falling into bigotry. Just make a distinction between theocratic fascists and religious people. Stop equating the two.

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        There are way more fundamentalist Muslims and further more fundamentalist Christians are not dangerous, the religion of the New testament is love and evangelism. The Spanish inquisition was not based on anything from the bible.

        In islam it is not a far fetched interpretation to say that the world should be violently conquered in the name of islam, they follows from a simple reading and the leaders of many Arab governments such as Iran follow it. Half of Iran hates this fundamentalist interpretation but the other half doesn’t and they are dangerous. And throughout the Muslim world - the 911 hijackers, ISIS, Hamas there are these extremists. Yes it is possible to have a peaceful islam they coexists but it’s also possible that islamic fascism will be predominate and it is dangerous and it should be fought

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          You must have a very strange definition of Christian fundamentalism, because the people I would describe as fundamentalists are absolutely a threat. You also seem to think that people don’t use Bible passages to justify basically anything while still claiming only their interpretation is valid. These people think of themselves as having the actual, literal interpretation of the Bible.

          What pisses me off the most is that fascist Christians are the biggest threat to me personally. They’re the people calling for people like me to be eradicated from public life or straight up killed. I’m not over here arguing that we should do the same thing to Christians that you endorse against Muslims.

          Even if the Bible had no passages encouraging fucked up behavior, the existence of Christian fascists shows that the content of the religious text does not prevent a religion from fueling fascism.

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            So what you are gay or trans? Show me the worst thing a Christian fascist has done. In gaza you would be killed, it would be endorsed by the government, it is routine they they kill gays, you know that right ?

            In Christianity there are a wide range of interpretations but the text of the bible does not say to violently impose Christianity on the world, that is one reason why there are much fewer christian fundamentalist. The text of the quaran does say to violently impose islam, that is why it’s much more dangerous as that is what crazy fundamentalist read.

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              Aside from the hate crimes, mass shootings, and kicking queer kids out of the house that’s standard in America, states like Florida have made it impossible for even many adults to get gender affirming care among other things. They want to impose their gender ideology everywhere they can and would not hesitate to pass federal bans on people like me. There are prominent, self proclaimed Christian nationalists in congress, and they are not a fringe minority. Almost half of Republicans believe America should reject secularism and officially become a Christian nation. The current Republican speaker of the House wants to get rid of the separation of church and state for crying out loud.

              Christian nationalists want to do the same thing Islamic theocracies can do. They cheer whenever opposing fascists attack a common enemy. I take these evil bastards at their word. When a fascist tells you what they’ll do with power, believe them. I’m not going to wait for the concentration camps and you shouldn’t either. If you can’t accept that a group is genocidal until they actually carry it out, you’ll never do anything to prevent it. That would make you less than useless.

              It’s terrible that fascists like Hamas rule Gaza. No matter how much you want me to be a foolish queer who thinks Hamas are the good guys, that will never be the case. It would be great if you were to question why you assumed that, but you won’t, because then you might realize how terrible it is that you’re supporting genocide.

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                Well I’m glad that you oppose Hamas, but you would not do well in any Arab country. However bad you believe Christians are in America if you were in any Muslim country they would literally kill you.

                Gender transition has been legal in america for decades, the debates from Christians are if you can do it as a child, if you can do it for free… No one is trying to kill you at an organized level, there may be lone wolf terrorists like the Muslim who shot up the gay night club in Orlando but it’s not like after that happened people were celebrating in the streets applauding what he did, how would you feel if after that gay night club shooting that people came out in the thousands to support him? No he was arrested and no one, not any christian endorsed it.

                There are not Christians who say explicitly things like 'all people have to be Christians ’ or ‘we.should kill all gays’, that is literally what they say in Muslim countries, that.all gays should be killed, that.all Jews should be killed, that all places.shouldnl follow Muslim law. There fighting is not the result of a brutal occupation, it is their ideaology and they are occupied and oppressed because of it, because of they weren’t suppressed they’d be murderous.

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                  Holy gaslighting Batman!

                  There are Christians, right now, in America, who do want me dead. It’s not a hypothetical. Anti-trans activists don’t want to stop at children. This was always a lie that dumbasses like you fell for. You fell for it because you’re motivated to believe that Christians are better than Muslims. You just don’t get that the policies of Sharia law would be popular on the right in America if they had a Christian coat of paint.

                  Republicans are all fascists. The only non fascist conservatives have been pushed out of the party. Liz Cheney? Primaried. Mitt Romney? Retiring. None of them are allowed to be moderate. In order to win, Republicans must support fascism. They are no less backwards than Iran. You’re deluding yourself if you think otherwise. Trump, a monster that embodies every quality of the anti-Christ, is their messiah. America is in grave danger.

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                    Christians are way better than Muslims, no matter what you show me the fact is in gaza you would be killed and children would dance around your dead body and the government would pay the people who killed you.