Hi! sorry for the random topic 😅
Youtube keeps getting more and more annoying. Is there a good other platform where to migrate? If people were to migrate, where would they go?
the thing I liked about youtube is the massive amount of content, and knowing that if I upload a video, it’s really easy to watch by others. I like the ability to follow channels too.
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PeerTube or Odysee.
Odysee is probably the biggest one, with a lot of creators having their youtube synced with it. Peertube is also an option, but I’ve never used it.
Odysee was acquired by Google in 2015, so it’s unfortunately another corporate-run greed machine. PeerTube is decentralized though.
This is totally untrue, why spread these lies?
Source? I can’t find anything to back this up
The company That Odysee used to own Odysee.com because the company Nimbuz had a product of that name, an android app for video and image backups. That product was acquired by Google.
Odysee, which now owns Odysee.com is the video platform being talked about here, and I see nothing online about it being related to the old Odysee in anything other than name.
Odysee was never acquired by google to my knowledge, but I could be wrong. Odysee used to be LBRY but rebranded a year or two ago.
PeerTube is the federated alternative for YouTube.
I thought that said PeeTube for a second and thought, “Wow, did they pivot.”
I mean Lemmy is the poop part of the Fediverse, would make sense for there to be also a pee part
Also have had some solid results with https://odysee.com/.
Not a fan of how corporatized it has been getting.
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I want to see these platforms try make money. It’s a video hosting platform. It needs to be sustainable.
Yeah, this is why Twitch and YouTube are still really the only competitors in their space (let’s be real, Kick is dead in 2 years)
Google willing to run at a loss to dominate the space is the reason there are no other video hosting sites.
This tactic is used too much in business. It’s a bullying tactic, since it’s artificial growth, and it results in a monopoly.
I use Odyssey most of the time, they make it very simple for creators to mirror their YouTube content so I like to support the ones who have.
There is Nebula, but it requires a subscription. However, all of the creators on it are part owners, so you know they get a better deal than whatever YouTube is giving them. Well worth the $50 a year to me.
I really think this sort of youtuber coop + fediverse is the best long term solution.
Since hosting videos is expensive and many youtubers rely on youtube for income, I think paying to watch makes sense, especially if it’s reasonably priced with a large cut going to the creators like with nebula. The main downside is that it’s hard to imagine most people switching to a subscription based service, so creators will still have to rely on youtube for discoverability.
Being realistic here, there’s no worthwhile competitor to youtube at this point in time. You have some stuff like odysee, LBRY, peertube etc. However, the amount of content on them is basically nothing compared to youtube and there’s little incentive for creators to move there due to how difficult it would be to monetise your content in those places.
My best pick would be invidious which is a private & ad-free yt frontend that uses it’s own API and doesn’t need JS. I already use it all the time. It’s good.
iirc, one of the few alternatives actually endorsed by content creators [Wendover is the only name which comes to mind right now, probably because they are involved in creating it] was Nebula
Lots of good suggestions already, but if you have to stick to YouTube, you could always use a third party client. FreeTube for desktop and Newpipe for Android. They function great. You don’t need an account and can organize and export your history and subscriptions, it’s a much better way to interact with YouTube than the official methods. Newpip even allows for background playing.
Frankly, there is nothing close to YouTube’s scale.
It is the online teevee at its finest except google is already heading twitter and reddit route so people need to start supporting some competition.
Nebula and odysee appear to be the current available alternatives; however, i haven’t tried them.
I don’t think it’s realistic to expect a free to use alternative to YouTube to exist. The project itself was never profitable, and now that they’re really struggling to give people ads they’re introducing these anti adblock measures. It simply costs too much in resources to store and send out high quality video content for free.
Absolutely this. As much as I’d love a free (and preferably FOSS) alternative to YouTube that’s just as good, I don’t see a realistic way for that to happen. Video is expensive.
I think it’ll happen on some level eventually. Storage costs are only going to go down over the long term. Sure, higher resolution video is bigger, and they’ll probably keep going even higher, but most people don’t care past a certain point. It won’t happen soon, but give it 10 or so years I could see it being more viable.
Possibly, and hopefully! And it is true that storage will only get cheaper, and theoretically bandwidth will be too. But for now, bandwidth is expensive and (fast) storage is also expensive, despite being much more affordable than it was not too many years ago.
I don’t think it’s realistic to expect a free to use alternative to YouTube to exist…It simply costs too much in resources to store and send out high quality video content for free.
I agree, and at the same time I think this raises the great question of, why did anyone think it was a good idea to put all of this on a single site to begin with? Ideally it sounds great, courtesy of its convenience and…I’m sure there’s more but I’m blanking on other qualities that don’t seem to lean on presumptions of benefits from a singular site’s operations.
Realistically it was almost always going to be a better idea to distribute the load of high density media like this across different operators to ensure a variety of video production, better redundancy through no single point of failure, reduced operational costs as a lower volume of data has to be stored & processed, and so on. Of course, the problem remains by & large the network effect in terms of getting any large group of people to disperse or move anywhere else, because it’s not like there haven’t been alternatives attempted, nor alternative technologies to enable alternatives to exist.
However, there’s also the problem of any alternatives or competitors framing themselves as an alternative or competitor to YouTube to begin with. That’s a losing approach from the start, instead they need to frame themselves as themselves, not a different YouTube, but an independent video host with xyz unique features.
If you don’t believe that could be a successful approach, then you’re simply ignoring the brief popularity of Vine and the rapid success and continuing popularity of TikTok.
https://odysee.com/ is blockchain-based, built on LBRY. It appears to have similar features for discovery, interaction, etc. as YouTube. Still testing it out personally to see how it actually performs though!
I’m sure I’ll get roasted for this, but just get YouTube Premium. As much content as people tend to consume on YT, I don’t know why it’s the only platform people seem so against paying for. YTP views are worth more to content creators. There’s no ads. And you can get YT music with it too. Honestly, it’s just a massive amount of content and nothing even comes close. I know the joke is “who would pay for YT Premium”, but, at least in my house, it gets like 10x the use of Netflix and Hulu.
YTP views are worth more to content creators. There’s no ads.
This is false, and I would argue that YTP generates significantly less revenue for content creators than even a dollar donation would over hundreds of videos.
YTP, when I had it, was still serving ads AND using trackers, which is not something I want to pay Google for.
For context, I have a YT channel with 3+ million views and tens of thousands of subscribers. YTP generates 1% of YouTube revenue, while ads make up the 99% difference.
Most people will have a handful of content creators that they regularly watch. If you took the YTP amount and split it between those creators as donations, you’ve made them far more than YouTube ads or YTP ever could.
That’s my advice, as a content creator.
The only problem with this is that more and more channels are adding native ads to their vids, and YT Premium doesn’t bypass those ads
That’s on the creators tho, not the platform I feel like it’s not an argument against paying for the platform, at least not when there are plenty of videos that don’t do baked in sponsor ads.
Edit: if you exclusively watch content with baked in ads, I can see it from a purely consumer end point of view.
Check Out SponsorBlock for chrome, Firefox, Safari…
Oh yeah I was referring to YouTube on TV. Gotta try smarttube next, last I checked it didn’t exist then
SponsorBlock is brilliant. It’s also integrated into the excellent SmartTube app for Android and Android TV, which also hides the normal ads, even if you don’t have premium
I find it too expnsive 😭 maybe Im just poor hahaj
If you can’t afford it, you can’t afford it. Streaming services aren’t cheap. That being said, if you get a majority of your daily entertainment from something, like a lot of people seem to with YT, then I think it’s worth the money. Like, it’s easy to think of YT and Google as these evil corporations, and they totally are, but at the same time, hosting video at the scale that YT does isn’t a charity, you know?
totally!
The vast majority of content my wife and I consume are on YouTube and Twitch so we get a ton of value out of YouTube Premium. I’m the only one I know irl who pays for YouTube Premium, but I also don’t subscribe to any streaming platforms except Spotify. I have Netflix free through T-Mobile but rarely use it.
As someone who was hesitant about YouTube Premium at first, I would recommend it, although I do wish they had a cheaper ad-free-only option (I don’t use YouTube music since I have Spotify). My motivation that put me over the edge was getting sick of seeing ads on my smart tv, since you can’t use an ad blocker on those.
The cheaper option is to sign up for premium from another country.
As @mizu@lemmy.world said, the software PeerTube exists. However, due to the extreme costs of video hosting, a general purpose PeerTube instance does not exist. It would cost alot for video storage and more importantly moderators to ensure content is not illegal.
Maybe if we all paid @ruud@lemmy.world like $20/month we could get PeerTube.world
It would be nice if peertube had an integrated subscription/payment method so you could support and subscribe to content you enjoy.
What we need is for PeerTube to use ActivityPub for the searching and listing, but something like Bittorrent to distribute the load of the content delivery.
You are literally describing PeerTube.
I believe that’s already built into PeerTube. The p2p (torrentlike) aspect that is.
Isn’t that exactly how peertube works? https://framatube.org/w/kkGMgK9ZtnKfYAgnEtQxbv
Odyssee is the closest thing but I still mostly use YouTube with adblock
Did you hear they’re trying to crack down on that?
Yeah if it happens to me, I’ll probably just sign up to YouTube premium in Turkey or something 😂
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