Another player who was at the table during the incident sent me this meme after the problem player in question (they had a history) left the group chat.

Felt like sharing it here because I’m sure more people should keep this kind of thing in mind.

  • Sanctus@lemmy.world
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    I fucking love it when settings have the magic to cure any disability or ailment. I also fucken love it when inequality is so bad most of the population can’t afford to cast it. I once had my players blow nearly everything they earned to heal a child with a terminal illness. Why would I make such a cruel world? Because tears taste good and memories are nothing more than a heartstring pulled.

  • AeonFelis@lemmy.world
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    What I won’t accept is that for some reason, all the illustrations that depict this use the hospital wheelchair design. If you are an adventurer who goes into dungeons, you should be getting something that can handle that terrain better than a squeaky shopping cart. Go for the fantasy version of Professor X’ flying chair. Or at least get something with all-terrain wheels, and have them angled like the ones in the wheelchairs athletes use.

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      Tenser’s Floating Disk could be used as well, if you want to abide by D&D magic. A magic disk that hovers 3ft - 90cm over the ground, but can’t overcome obstacles taller than 10ft - 3 meters. It only lasts 1 hour and only follows the wizard, so you can’t command it from atop, but it doesn’t need concentration. I’d haggle with the DM to make some allowance on movement while atop it, like having to cast a cantrip (using a valuable action if during combat) or having it last 8 hours if cast as a level 2 spell.

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    I mean, you’re correct but that meme’s vision of what a disabled character should look like in a fantasy setting is probably the most boring I’ve ever seen.

    A manual wheelchair? In worlds where levitation, flight, telekinesis, etc exist?

    Fuck, even the X-Men have a hovering chair.

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    Why would that even be a problem? Plenty of blind people in ancient stories, myths and legends. Probably better off without this person.

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      There’s also the common modern fantasy trope of blind heroes - Daredevil, blind swordmasters, demon hunters from Warcraft, etc. I wouldn’t count these characters as “disability representation” because they can perceive their environment as well as a sighted character could, but they certainly set a precedent for meeting a blind NPC in an RPG.

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      The Blind Swordsman is a massive trope in fantasy literature. Take a look at David Carradine’s character in Circle of Iron for an archetypal example. It’s a staple in many kung fu movies - the Master uses their hyper developed senses for sounds and for movements in the air to sense and react to their enemies. Or take Luke Skywalker fighting the drone with his eyes covered by using the Force. Hodr was the blind son of Odin.

      Blindness also occurs throughout mythic traditions, sometimes as punishment by the gods. It occurs in Greek and Jewish myths. The witch-woman in Hawk the Slayer was blind (played by the great Patricia Quinn, who also starred as Magenta in Rocky Horror).

      I think it makes perfect thematic sense to include blindness in characters. A blind beggar, a blind prophet, or a blind samurai are all staples of the fantasy tradition. I’d actually love it if we had to work out a player character who is blind, but that would take a fair amount of effort. I think the payoff would be remarkable and memorable, though.

  • Kyoyeou (Ki jəʊ juː)@slrpnk.net
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    Had a session last night, where my player where asking this question, and posted this post as a response on the screen, and it started in, how could we do a magic chair into, let’s make an exo-squeleton. I come there to say,

    That as a DM I have stollen your stuff and added it to my campaign

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      Disabilities are fine, but wheelchair accessible dungeons and forests are a bit much. Yuki Yuna is a magical girl anime with a parallelized character. The ribbons on her outfit are prehensile and let her more around Doc Oct while in combat.

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    I’ll echo the words of my friend, who is a permanent wheelchair user:

    “Yes, I identify with my disability as part of who I am, but I would still take a cure without hesitation”

    Yes, people with disabilities identify with their disability, so even in a fantasy setting I can see how their disability would be part of their character.

    But every disabled person I know would figuratively leap at the opportunity to reverse their disability with magic. It is also basically impossible to use a wheelchair while holding something like a wand or a staff or a fireball in one hand, so if there’s enough magic around to push a wheelchair, there’s probably enough to make your legs work. That’s why somebody has a good reason not to expect a wheelchair in a fantasy world. I can see how somebody who doesn’t really know any disabled people would panic at the idea of a wheelchair being part of the narrative or something like that, and I can sympathize with it.

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    Odd because blindness is very commonly represented in mythology and fantasy.

    A wheelchair is a tough sell in a questing/adventuring party, but in the right context we have seen paraplegics manage, in a popular fantasy setting ( GoT, bran), but it required someone to move them around

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    Well it is quite strange to be so offended of disabled people that you would leave the game But as a devil’s advocate what the problem is actually a world building one. If you establish that the world has magic, magic is widespread and powerful then the fact that there are disabled people could be slightly immersion breaking. For example in DnD lesser restoration a 2nd lvl spell would cure most blindnesses (well except if the person has actually lost their eyes). Hard to say anything more because you gave so little details. Ultimately that person had a disproportionate response but I find your meme both pointless what aboutism and generalization. Hope you have a good day.

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    It’s fine, provided it’s not a plot hole - i.e. your fantasy setting needs to not have abolished blindness as a realistic malady, which some settings do. E.g. LOTR 100% has blind people, while the Harry Potter universe only has very poor blind people, since solving blindness is as trivial as a polyjuice potion, even if nothing else works (and something more effective is bound to work).

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    But… That depends on the magic, doesn’t it? I’d argue you could easily use magic to fix disabilities. Or do healers not exist in your world?

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      The exist, they’re not everywhere though. And are typically very cagey about teaching others.

      And often times their prices for using their services is pretty bad for the typical person.

      One of the PCs though (who joined after the other guy left) is an artificer who was born without legs (currently has prosthetics they made) and the reason he’s out adventuring is to bring legs to those who lack them. Like his mentor did for him.

      The next town they’re getting too will have an NPC without a leg and the artificer should have the components to make a magical prosthetic for them if they want to.

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        I really got to thinking about this just the other day when I found that a Prosthetic Limb is a common magic item in D&D 5e. (Of course how common a common item is exactly is at DM’s discretion, but nevertheless.)

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        One of the PCs though (who joined after the other guy left) is an artificer who was born without legs (currently has prosthetics they made) and the reason he’s out adventuring is to bring legs to those who lack them. Like his mentor did for him.

        That’s my kind of power fantasy right there.