The law, which was set to take effect Jan. 1, would have prohibited people from carrying concealed guns in 26 places, including public parks, churches, banks and zoos.
Look man I’m not looking for a flame war here but I live in Texas, I myself own a firearm. How exactly do you determine at a glance who the “good guy with a gun” is? You simply can’t. It seems completely reasonable to restrict areas guns are allowed at which is something we already do with the 30.06 signs. Why do you need/want to carry a gun at a zoo, park, or for that matter Walmart? Before you say “for my personal protection” I want you to think for a moment. If you fired a shot at a zoo, and missed you very likely could hit a child. Plus at least here in Texas it’s completely normal to see metal detectors/no gun signs at the places this would have taken affect at.
How exactly do you determine at a glance who the “good guy with a gun” is? You simply can’t.
The “good guy with a gun” doesn’t use it unless their life is directly threatened with no retreat and the puts it away/ drops it so as to not be a threat to anyone else; emphasis on retreats first.
In California, no shooting by a CCW holder has ever occurred at an existing protected location or one proposed by SB 2. In fact, concealedcarrykillers.org lists just 5 homicides having been committed by CCW holders in California in the last 24 years.
Yet, since 2013 there have been 19,249 homicides statewide, 70 percent of which were committed with firearms.
No shootings with a licensed CCW involved, not no shootings in general. Shootings have happened and will continue to happen and for some reason a group of people demonstrably not involved are rendered defenseless because of it.
Like I said your original request (statistics of “legal” CCW permit holder, without premeditation, discharging a firearm, in California) is incredibly specific, making it very difficult to find quality research. But here’s what I was able to find for you:
Does California have a problem of shootings committed by legal concealed-carry permit holders acting without premeditation?
No
Look man I’m not looking for a flame war here but I live in Texas, I myself own a firearm. How exactly do you determine at a glance who the “good guy with a gun” is? You simply can’t. It seems completely reasonable to restrict areas guns are allowed at which is something we already do with the 30.06 signs. Why do you need/want to carry a gun at a zoo, park, or for that matter Walmart? Before you say “for my personal protection” I want you to think for a moment. If you fired a shot at a zoo, and missed you very likely could hit a child. Plus at least here in Texas it’s completely normal to see metal detectors/no gun signs at the places this would have taken affect at.
The “good guy with a gun” doesn’t use it unless their life is directly threatened with no retreat and the puts it away/ drops it so as to not be a threat to anyone else; emphasis on retreats first.
I have no idea, that’s a very specific and difficult statistic to try and research. Do you have the answer?
Did you even try?
https://www.pacificresearch.org/sb-2-a-law-in-search-of-a-crime/
If no shooting has ever occurred from a CCW holder in those areas in 24 years, what value does having a gun in those locations add?
I get the whole constitutional right thing, but clearly these are safe places where having a gun doesn’t increase your personal safety.
So, why bring one?
No shootings with a licensed CCW involved, not no shootings in general. Shootings have happened and will continue to happen and for some reason a group of people demonstrably not involved are rendered defenseless because of it.
PRI is a right-wing political policy advocacy group. Do you have a nonpartisan source?
I don’t owe you that kind of research work. Do you have a source that would discredit or dispute what I’ve already offered?
Like I said your original request (statistics of “legal” CCW permit holder, without premeditation, discharging a firearm, in California) is incredibly specific, making it very difficult to find quality research. But here’s what I was able to find for you:
Johns Hopkins has this: https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/study-finds-significant-increase-in-firearm-assaults-in-states-that-relaxed-conceal-carry-permit-restrictions
This one includes some good details as to why these studies are challenging, and what causes errors in the data: https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/concealed-carry/violent-crime.html
Here’s a summary from GVPedia (note the sources in the footnotes): https://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/GVPedia-Permitless-Carry-Factsheet-Feb2022.pdf
Hopes this helps.
So what, are you sad that you can’t bring your toys to schools and parks?