• umbrella@lemmy.ml
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    10 months ago

    so US can fund genocide, but no one can protest it, got it.

    are trade routes more important than actual human lives?

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      10 months ago

      Why not ask the human lives on the trade vessels?

      If the US Navy wasn’t swatting missiles and drones, hundreds of sailors would be at the bottom of the sea by now.

      Don’t forget environmental damage from spilled fuel and actual oil tankers that would be damaged. You know, like the Russian tanker they accidentally fired on today even though it had even less to do with them than anyone else in the sea.

      Launching missiles at civilian ships is not a “protest”.

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        10 months ago

        can we worry about the environmental damage in palestine too?

        oh the poor crewmembers trying to ignore the known agressive blockade, maybe someone in yemen can go to their rescue oh whoops no they will be leveled by the millions lol.

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          10 months ago

          The crew members are there for a wage, and the ships themselves mostly have nothing to do with Israel.

          A huge portion of global trade runs through the area, and it’s not just “trinkets from China” as some like to say. It’s grain, fuel, steel, all of the things that keep the world running in a globalized economy.

          You can’t blockade the entire world and not expect retaliation. If anything, I’m surprised it took this long.

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            10 months ago

            well you cant cause a literal fucking genocide and expect there not to be retaliation. is trade more valuable than humans?

            you know what would solve this immediatly without more deaths? stop the genocide.

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              10 months ago

              As ugly as it sounds? Yes. There are nearly 8 billion humans on a planet with finite resources, globally distributed. The resources, unfortunately, are more valuable than any specific subset of humans at this point.

              Without trade, billions would die. And they won’t be Westerners, they’ll be people who live in places where population exceeds carrying capacity. Namely, the ME and Asia.

              Yemen in particular is highly dependent on foreign aid. By blocking trade the Houthis are not looking out for the people of their country any more than Hamas is looking out for the people of Palestine. In fact they are the reason Yemen is starving. I’m not sure why so many people on Lemmy are professing support for an illegitimate, theocratic revolutionary force.

              “Arab countries and all Islamic countries will not be safe from Jews except through their eradication and the elimination of their entity.” - Al-Houthi

              Yes, the Houthi are real opponents of genocide.

              If the Houthis really feel like they have a dog in the fight, they could declare war on Israel and deploy and fight rather than harassing non-combatants. They’re nothing but terrorists, not combatants - and if the world agrees on one thing it’s that we do not negotiate with terrorists.

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                10 months ago

                boohoo my stuff is taking longer to arrive.

                thats a whole bunch of text to justify stopping a blockade but not stopping a genocide. literal genocide.

                millions dying right now for no reason. stop the genocide and the blockade will stop, so fucking simple.

                in your analysis you forgot the part where the US is funding it, and caused this whole mess in the first place.

                but if youd rather have world war 3 over this wtf can i do.

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                  10 months ago

                  Boo hoo, clearly you didn’t read about how shipping is the lifeblood of the world, and it’s not about some “stuff” not arriving. It’s about not setting a precedent that anyone with a rocket launcher is allowed to take potshots at civilian vessels.

                  Without nuts and bolts and cultivator shovels and sickle knife sections Canada won’t have grain to export to the rest of the world. Oh no, we don’t make any of those ourselves? The world is extremely co-dependent now, which is part of the reason that we don’t have any major wars going on.

                  You know who can stop this right now? Hamas can stop this right now. They are clearly not going to “win”. Their prolonged actions are only causing suffering to their own people. They could do the honourable thing and SURRENDER which would end the war right now. But they aren’t going to do that, because they aren’t fighting for benefit of the Gazan people. They’re fighting because they hate the Jews.

                  Israel walked away from Gaza many years ago, left it entirely under its own governance. If its people had put the past aside and chosen a path that led to alliances and peaceful cooperation with the world, it could be a bustling trade hub and a beautiful little vacation destination on the shores of the Mediterranean.

                  Instead they chose their hatred of the Jews and spent decades launching rockets into Israel.

                  The same applies to the Houthis. Yemen could be a prosperous nation like its neighbours. Instead it’s a war-torn dump in abject poverty. Ever wonder why we sell weapons to our questionable “ally” of Saudi Arabia to fight them? Because for all that SA is terrible, the Houthis are worse.

                  Do you think their Iranian backers will tell them to back down once they learn that they have full control over a major shipping lane, and the ability to blackmail the world with it? That’s the true path that leads to WW3.

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        10 months ago

        then stop throwing explosives at palestine and yemen, very simple.

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          10 months ago

          That’s not how that works. Nobody ever stopped a war by starting another.

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            10 months ago

            not war, genocide.

            genocide can be simply stopped.

            who really started this war? who is getting bombed by the millions now?

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              10 months ago

              Lol. You do not get to attack random cargo ships and say the countries policing the ocean started it.