Patching in new DRM years after launch seems unlikely to impact pirates, but actively harms legitimate users who play on Steam Deck or mod games they paid for.
Can, but might not. Companies are not notorious for spending effort on products they are abandoning. The only reason they do it with Denuvo is that it charges them a subscription for as long as it’s implemented.
DRM doesn’t purge itself automatically. I don’t know how to spell it any clearer but if the problem is that DRM continues to exist, and it is solved when DRM is removed, then DRM itself is the problem.
And I speak as someone who lost my official purchase of Tron Evolution to outdated DRM.
I don’t think you are arguing in favor of cracking groups, as much as I’m appreciative of them.
I think you’re misunderstanding things. You trust these companies to do what is best for the consumer. That’s not how the rest of us, or the companies you’re defending, consider things. Their interest is in the bottom dollar. If screwing you makes a buck, they’ll do it. Trusting them to do the right thing is a major player in enshittification.
No, that’s where the service provider’s backups are stored. I don’t have the ability to make my own. That’s a huge stretch and very tortured logic. And even if I went for it, by not being able to make backups at my pleasure I’m still being impacted, so… still, by definition, a negative impact on the paying customer that people pirating the same media don’t have. They just Ctrl C Ctrl V that stuff.
Because it shouldn’t be on me to ask for permission to do stuff with my software that I bought.
Maybe I’m too old, because I remember when I bought a disk and I just copied it and used that. Which is legal, by the way.
Well, alright, I don’t need to remember too far back, because I was ripping some movies today. Which, again, fair game. I paid for them, I get to use them. I shouldn’t have to explain to you, Valve, Netflix or anybody else why I want to back up the thing I bought.
Well, no. I was happily buying my games on discs and cartridges and my movies on DVDs and tapes and my music in CDs. If they’re going to swing around, tell me I’m buying digital licenses and I can no longer do the legal things I used to do it’s them who owe an explanation.
I have no idea why you feel the need to shill so hard for these things, but it’s clearly not sticking. You’re putting the onus on the customer and, as a customer I get to just say “no, screw you” and keep buying physical media instead. It’s a shame that more people don’t, but it’s pretty obvious that having them take over my computer to limit what I do with my purchases is damaging to me, and I don’t have to like it because you say so.
I make a living off of media creation and have for over twenty years, across multiple mediums and in different capacities. Some of the stuff I’ve worked on has been DRMd and some has not.
The financial benefit coming my way has not been dependent on DRM at any point to any extent I can discern. You want to impact “the right to financially benefit from their creations”? Fix the fact that companies can just hire a creator to work for hire and own all their output in perpetuity with no requirement for additional compensation and indeed no IP rights staying with the people doing the actual work.
If you’re gonna high horse me with the morality of financially compensating creators you better be talking about the actual creators, not the corporations keeping the bulk of the revenue.
At an absolute minimum, the DRM prevents me from easily making a backup of my legitimate copy, which I am otherwise entitled to do.
So yeah, by definition DRM has a negative impact on paying customers.
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…until the stores decide to stop offering them.
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Can, but might not. Companies are not notorious for spending effort on products they are abandoning. The only reason they do it with Denuvo is that it charges them a subscription for as long as it’s implemented.
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It is an inherent problem with DRM, because if there was no DRM there wouldn’t be a possibility of this happening.
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DRM doesn’t purge itself automatically. I don’t know how to spell it any clearer but if the problem is that DRM continues to exist, and it is solved when DRM is removed, then DRM itself is the problem.
And I speak as someone who lost my official purchase of Tron Evolution to outdated DRM.
I don’t think you are arguing in favor of cracking groups, as much as I’m appreciative of them.
I think you’re misunderstanding things. You trust these companies to do what is best for the consumer. That’s not how the rest of us, or the companies you’re defending, consider things. Their interest is in the bottom dollar. If screwing you makes a buck, they’ll do it. Trusting them to do the right thing is a major player in enshittification.
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No, that’s where the service provider’s backups are stored. I don’t have the ability to make my own. That’s a huge stretch and very tortured logic. And even if I went for it, by not being able to make backups at my pleasure I’m still being impacted, so… still, by definition, a negative impact on the paying customer that people pirating the same media don’t have. They just Ctrl C Ctrl V that stuff.
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Because it shouldn’t be on me to ask for permission to do stuff with my software that I bought.
Maybe I’m too old, because I remember when I bought a disk and I just copied it and used that. Which is legal, by the way.
Well, alright, I don’t need to remember too far back, because I was ripping some movies today. Which, again, fair game. I paid for them, I get to use them. I shouldn’t have to explain to you, Valve, Netflix or anybody else why I want to back up the thing I bought.
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Well, no. I was happily buying my games on discs and cartridges and my movies on DVDs and tapes and my music in CDs. If they’re going to swing around, tell me I’m buying digital licenses and I can no longer do the legal things I used to do it’s them who owe an explanation.
I have no idea why you feel the need to shill so hard for these things, but it’s clearly not sticking. You’re putting the onus on the customer and, as a customer I get to just say “no, screw you” and keep buying physical media instead. It’s a shame that more people don’t, but it’s pretty obvious that having them take over my computer to limit what I do with my purchases is damaging to me, and I don’t have to like it because you say so.
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I make a living off of media creation and have for over twenty years, across multiple mediums and in different capacities. Some of the stuff I’ve worked on has been DRMd and some has not.
The financial benefit coming my way has not been dependent on DRM at any point to any extent I can discern. You want to impact “the right to financially benefit from their creations”? Fix the fact that companies can just hire a creator to work for hire and own all their output in perpetuity with no requirement for additional compensation and indeed no IP rights staying with the people doing the actual work.
If you’re gonna high horse me with the morality of financially compensating creators you better be talking about the actual creators, not the corporations keeping the bulk of the revenue.