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An oil tanker is on fire in the Gulf of Aden, its operator says, after Houthis said they hit it with a missile.
US officials told the BBC’s US partner CBS the tanker was hit by an anti-ship ballistic missile and a naval ship was responding to its distress signal.
There were no injuries reported, the US officials said.
Houthi military spokesman Yaha Sarea said the group used “a number of appropriate naval missiles” and Friday’s strike was “direct”.
All (but one?) of the 9/11 hijackers came from comfortable, middleclass, Saudi families. The vast majority of 01/06 insurrections came from at least middleclass incomes, and often higher.
You’re insulting these people acting like they’re just too poor and uneducated to know better.
As a planet, we cannot allow a major disruption of a major trade route. This is both terrorism and piracy. It cannot stand.
OTOH, I have no idea how to fight terrorists embedded in the civilian population.
I’m not saying give these individuals money. I’m saying maybe we build some social structures that elevate the population out of poverty?
50 million in bombs but not 50 million in schools, why?
But as the above commenter pointed out, poverty is no cure to the kind of ideological terrorism pursued by these people - the middle class is just as vulnerable to the madness as the poor.
You mean like in Afghanistan? Where they proceeded to close these schools and sell the infrastructure the second the military left?
What compels those people to act is America fucking around in the middle east. They didn’t wake up and think “Oh let’s bomb some people today”.
Yep, definitely. Before us the Middle East was a harmonious paradise.
Ugh these people again. Yes, it was about as good of a place as anywhere else outside of Europe and America.
People who know history and don’t have the racist presumption that only Westerners have moral agency?
Alright, I’m going to have to challenge that. Would you care to elaborate on how the Middle East, before American meddling, was as good as anywhere else outside of Europe and America?
America started meddling in The Middle East in the 50s, almost exactly after colonialism ended (using the term “ended” liberally). The pre-colonialism Middle East was mostly ruled by the Ottoman empire, which aside from their last years were bad but normal rulers. I seriously doubt the Middle East was a worse place to be than Russia, China.
“the Ottoman empire, which aside from their last years were bad but normal rulers.”
Holy fuck.
Are you going to stand by that statement? Because if so, I have a very long list of exceptional crimes by the Ottoman Empire.
Alright, it’s the early 20th century, just after the First World War. We have open slavery in the Arabian peninsula and North Africa, the Saudis have consolidated their rule by murdering the tribes that stood against them, Iran is playing coup musical chairs, the first Zionist and anti-Zionist massacres in Palestine have begun, Turkiye is musing turning on the Kurds after having genocided some Armenians previously, Libya is being genocided by the Italians, Egypt is being ruled by an autocratic king, Jordan is embroiled in sectarian conflict that the British are quietly ignoring, and Syria is being played divide-and-conquer style by the French.
Yeah, I’d take the Russian civil war and early Soviets, or China’s warlord era over that.
You… Just ignored what I said about the Ottomans and keep bringing up colonial-era examples. You know what I don’t care enough about this conversation.
I literally asked if you were willing to stand by your claim about the Ottomans and stated a willingness to list their exceptional brutality in MENA.
Clearly, you don’t know enough to have warranted starting it.
This is kinda racist, as much as you might not want to admit it the people in this world with darker skin are actually real whole people - they have emotions and feel pain and yes sometimes they have a bloodthirsty hunger for power no matter the human expense. They’re people and sometimes people are like that.
Your knowledge of history might only involve things from the European perspective so yes nothing happened before we got there and everything that does happen there we’re at the center of - that’s not actual reality though, read history from their perspective and often we’re just not that important.
The middle East conflicts are painfully complicated, different factions of Islam with different factions in those factions all with their own power struggles and conspiracies and political needs… Just like everywhere else,
I know history from both perspectives (I’m from the Middle East), and I know that the motivation for organizations like Al-Qaeda is usually the state of places like Palestine, Iraq and Syria. That’s why they target the West; they look at places where the West came in, killed a few hundred thousand people, damaged the place beyond repair and left and want some kind of justice.
You say the West isn’t that important in Middle Eastern history, but that’s wrong in many ways. Let me tell you as someone who lives here: When it comes to politics, America is basically a synonym for evil over here (could be different in Gulf countries).
Well, yeah they did actually. They probably didn’t see it in their 5 year plan though